What a dumbass. Quake is dead? Boohoo...no...woohoo. Quake sucked.

Nick apologized, and Ola accepted his apology. Why is everyone keeping it going? Megalyth's Demesne

Anyway, just wanted to increase the comment count :-)

You think you're precious, I think you're shit

Seriously though, I've always known where Ola stands on texture ripping...having made some (low-quality) textures myself, I understand his position (though I don't quite agree with the extremity that he will go with it). But I also think that all of this stuff is absurd...it's just a GAME. Calm down, guys! :)

To the "Using textures from commercial releases is NOT comparable to textures made by an individual from the community" people: there's no difference, copying is wrong either way. Companies let you make add on levels that *reference* their textures, but that's a big difference. Companies have better things to do than check every level on cdrom.com for copyright violations, but they *do* defend their copyright.. did everyone forget generations already? Linux doom

It's from scandinavia all the best doom stuff come from. >:) Ni'mRoD - Ixnay on the Hombre

On another note, I'm surprised that Herian 2, which borrowed heavily from Heretic/Hexen including both textures and sprites, was lauded, while that Boomtown WAD was vilified for doing the exact same thing...

From what I can tell Ola just would like credit (and now an apology) for his work, which seems faily reasonable to me. But yeah, that second last update was one of your best yet Ola, keep it up ;-)

You think you're precious, I think you're shit

Actually, most of the copyright violations in Doom levels come from people new to editing - I know at 14 I didn't have much appreciation for copyrights, and editing the original levels was an easy way to start; the same applies to textures I suppose. Linux doom

and what's with people saying "It's only 3 textures"? Textures are not that easy to make. well, they are, but its hard to make the good! taking someones textures and changing the color of it wouuld be like me taking someone's level and changing the textures. Is that really a big deal? It certainly is if you didn't get permission from it. Not in a legal sense, but in a moral sense. I remember when someone uploaded their own modified version of ragedm onto the doomserv server. All they did was throw in some extra items (make that a lot), but i was pretty pissed, because they uploaded over the original, and i STILL dont know who did it. whoever did sure is a puss for not fessing up. so, coming from a neutral point of view, i honestly think that nick should apologize to ola. as far as i can tell, at least one of those textures (that stone one) is based off of ola's (though the other one's are debatable because they're brick textures and those are kind of hard to avoid looking alike), and nick has done iit before, and nick has admitted that he has in the past. but i didnt hear one apology, and that's all ola asks for. i think that's a pretty fair deal to nick, dont you agree? http://doomnation.com/mtawney

If they say no, you're stuck - but it's their call, not yours. Build your own stuff or find someone who will. I plan to abide by this fully for the full release of Twice Risen (the pre-release contains a few questionable resources... these will be dropped.) and I suggest that everyone else takes the extra 10 minutes to do the same. Project leader, Twice Risen TC
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