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Espi



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"The BIGGEST doom level ever" , posted Fri 30 Jun 00:52user profileedit/delete messagepost reply


I mean a single-player level for doom 1 that is HUGE. I would love to play one.

-----------> Espi <-----------

 


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malcolm

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"Re(1):The BIGGEST doom level ever" , posted Thu 6 Jul 12:39user profileedit/delete messagepost reply


Whats the deal with huge (by which I mean really long) doom levels? why does everyone like them so much? personally I'd rather play 5 levels that are each 1/5th the size...

 

 

Myk



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"Re(2):The BIGGEST doom level ever" , posted Fri 7 Jul 00:14user profileedit/delete messagepost reply


Well, some feel that size DOES matter.

Everything is nothing and nothing is everything.

 

 

malcolm

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"Re(3):The BIGGEST doom level ever" , posted Fri 7 Jul 15:29user profileedit/delete messagepost reply


It does? Why? All a really huge level does is take a really long time to play through and limit the author's ability to do interesting things with the gameplay in terms of traps/whatever. (Ie. after you've been playing a level for an hour already, you're gonna be damn pissed off if some really suprising trap kills you) It also makes it much harder to balance the ammo and health. Consequently, most of the very large levels I've played tend to have rather repetitive gameplay and way too much ammo and health... in my opinion. My point is just that size is not an asset in and of itself, and if not handled well it can cause defects.

 

 

Myk



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"Re(4):The BIGGEST doom level ever" , posted Fri 7 Jul 19:17:user profileedit/delete messagepost reply


What you say is true enough. I was being subtle (and not very seroius) about another, less doomy matter. At least I made you make your point even clearer :-) Hey I hope to see more of your maps, they're quite good.

Everything is nothing and nothing is everything.

[this message was edited by Myk on Fri 7 Jul 19:18]

 

Lüt



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"Re(1):The BIGGEST doom level ever" , posted Thu 6 Jul 03:20user profileedit/delete messagepost reply


The last two levels of Millennium are probably two of the biggest I have seen. I haven't tried all the levels listed below yet but I guarantee they will be two of the biggest ones ever, and quite a blast on co-op.

This is, of course, once I finish mine ;)

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Megalyth



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"Re(2):The BIGGEST doom level ever" , posted Sun 9 Jul 21:48user profileedit/delete messagepost reply


Speaking of Millennium, what happened to it? I though it was supposed to be almost done or something.

FIRST POST !!!

 

Fanatic



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"Re(1):The BIGGEST doom level ever" , posted Tue 4 Jul 11:45user profileedit/delete messagepost reply


http://www.doomworld.com/fanatic/doom/files/bigopen.zip (88k)

This is the biggest level I have played. Me and a friend played coop and it took like 2 hours to complete. Super fun!

-Marc
http://www.doomworld.com/fanatic

 

kggf

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"Re(1):The BIGGEST doom level ever" , posted Tue 4 Jul 04:01user profileedit/delete messagepost reply


Hi, I have made a Huge level that I think you sould try. It is called underground.
I think you will be impressed
You can get it at my web site
http://www.shanesdoomwads.freeservers.com/doom/under

Mind you underground 2 (lava domane) I don't think is bigger than the original. Don't know why?

Tell me what you think.

 

 

Espi



esa.repo@pp.nic.fi
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"Legacy?" , posted Fri 21 Jul 03:11user profileedit/delete messagepost reply


Where can I find this Legacy thingy to play your level?

"It's always funny until someone gets hurt - and then it's just hilarious."

 

c-d-w

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"Re(1):The BIGGEST doom level ever" , posted Mon 3 Jul 17:24user profileedit/delete messagepost reply


Complex.wad at Walnut Creek. It friggin massive!

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ReX

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"Re(2):The BIGGEST doom level ever" , posted Tue 4 Jul 11:55user profileedit/delete messagepost reply


Hey, I'm glad someone tried out my level Complex.wad. Yes, indeed it is large. When I first started out the level I decided to use up as much of the WadAuthor editing grid as I could. Of course I didn't want a whole lot of empty space, so I tried to fill it up with buildings that fit in with the theme. However, I must admit that towards the end I thought I'd run out of ideas, and things started getting difficult. On the whole, however, I am very pleased with the final map (which needs ZDooM or a port to run).

Only two things are certain: DooM and taxes

 

 

Espi



esa.repo@pp.nic.fi
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"Complex" , posted Fri 21 Jul 03:21user profileedit/delete messagepost reply


Where can I find complex.wad?

"It's always funny until someone gets hurt - and then it's just hilarious."

 

 

ReX

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"Re(1):Complex" , posted Mon 24 Jul 07:40user profileedit/delete messagepost reply


Military Research Complex can be found at:
ftp://ftp.cdrom.com/pub/doom2/levels/doom2/Ports/a-c/complex.zip
Please note that it requires a source port (such as
ZDooM) to play, otherwise DooM will crash with
vis_plane overflows. Also, as the level requires
jumping to progress, you will need a source port that
allows jumping (such as ZDooM). Enjoy!

Only two things are certain: DooM and taxes

 

 

tarin

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"Re(2):Complex" , posted Mon 24 Jul 18:07user profileedit/delete messagepost reply


Wow, this level is *big*. Nearly 2500 sectors! And nice to play, too.

 

Ty Halderman

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"Re(1):The BIGGEST doom level ever" , posted Fri 30 Jun 04:02user profileedit/delete messagepost reply


Physically huge, like really big, or one that just is so complex that it takes a long time to play? The latter is easy--just play some of the monster levels in Eternal DOOM.

For the physically huge, wide open expanses, etc. you have one limitation, which is the blockmap size. With DOOM[2] it is limited to 64K in size; Boom and other engines have increased that to 128K by using some unsigned vs. signed integers. Take the height vs. width rounded up to a 64 grid, and divide those by 64. Then multiply those results to get the area. If you're over 64K, you need an extended port, and if over 128K you're not going to be able to make it work. For reference, a 64K blockmap is the equivalent of a 16384x16384 square in Doom map units, and 128K is a 23170-unit square.

There's a discussion about that (related to a different problem though) on rec.games.computer.doom.editing.

If that's more technical than you needed to know (heh) then just know that there are limitations and that's the main reason you don't see huge levels. Besides, the Doomguy doesn't run fast enough to make really huge levels anything but a 20-minute run around the perimeter...

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Ty's Spot: http://www.teamtnt.com/ty

 

 

Espi



esa.repo@pp.nic.fi
212.38.224.119

"Re(2):The BIGGEST doom level ever" , posted Sat 1 Jul 03:48user profileedit/delete messagepost reply


Hey I just downloaded eternal doom yesterday! Gotta go play it more now, to find those big maps! Anyway the kind of big level I mean, a good example is in ftp.cdrom.com it's for doom1 and called something like ss_27bet2. If anyone knows of another level kinda like that but even larger, or if there's a finished version of that level somewhere, that's what I want to know of. And I like doom1 levels more that doom2.

-----------> Espi <-----------

 

 

BuffGUh

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"Re(2):The BIGGEST doom level ever" , posted Fri 30 Jun 21:41user profileedit/delete messagepost reply


there was one map...it was really huge..i think it was made for one of the doom source ports...ive been looking for it..but i cant find it...iit was so huge that you cant really see the other side of the map...it was set in a ravine type setting...

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Gokuma



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"Re(3):The BIGGEST doom level ever" , posted Mon 3 Jul 14:27user profileedit/delete messagepost reply


I remember the Bleeding Tower of Pisa being a huge level. It's one of at least a couple pisa.wads out there. I got it off a friend's PC Gamer CD.

 

 

spacedog

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"Re(4):The BIGGEST doom level ever" , posted Wed 5 Jul 19:34:user profileedit/delete messagepost reply


My level Doesn't coever a really large area but it is about 440k when you take out the textures and it has exactly 666 sectors (ooh spooky)

it's at www.studio.club24.co.uk/badger1.zip

Oh, by the way, i also got complex.wad and it is rather groovy, although i got distracted by the batman TC and haven't completed it yey

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[this message was edited by spacedog on Wed 5 Jul 19:47]