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dutch devil said:
The SP_HOT textures could use some better aligning, other than that it looks pretty damn sweet :)

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printz said:
I usually keep gstone and sp_hot how they are, because I like how their bricks look irregular that way.

First screenshot looks like Plutonia, btw. That red sky, rounded opening with metal and cubic dirt, and wide wooden planks.

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Christoph said:
I'm kinda digging the zany, yet creative, textures combos in some of the shots (esp the "library" one). But I especially like the brown caves with sky-holes with vines hanging down - it just reeks of so much awesomeness. If the whole map revolved around that (brown cave) kind of atmosphere I would love it to death. But it's your map to make...

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justanotherfool said:
Well, I've been delayed for longer than I had anticipated, but I finally have something to say about the map, and hopefully I'll have a few points that the other testers didn't make.

As per usual, I tested in prboom-plus with a 2.5.x.x version (I forget), but I used zdoom 2.3.0 for the purpose of taking screenshots.

I didn't find that much in the way of bugs. The only real problem was that it seems 100% kills is unobtainable due to the fact that 5 monsters are missing. I didn't actually check this out in an editor, so I suppose it's possible that I missed 5 monsters, but I found all the secrets and played through the level multiple times, and there were always 5 monsters left at the end (according to the kills counter). I also spotted a HOM which I'll talk about later.

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The only suggestion I have about the gameplay of the map is that you change the first cyberdemon fight. As it stands it's easy to just camp at the top of the stairs where the cyb can't hit you and pump rockets into its exposed head, as in the screenshot...
http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/3268/torn8.png

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I do, however, think there are a lot of things that could be done to improve the aesthetics of the map. This is a long list...

1. The top of the teleporter is suspended in mid-air in the opening room. I think it would be better to remove the top of the teleporter or to add 'bars' connecting the bottom and the top of the teleporter
http://img192.imageshack.us/img192/5797/torn1.png

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2. The wall in the courtyard looks strange because it's too low, allowing you to see that there's really nothing beyond it. Making it taller or maybe adding a bit of detail outside the wall would improve matters...
http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/4607/torn3.png
http://img190.imageshack.us/img190/7338/torn5.png

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3. This is a very minor point, but I feel that some of the ceiling sectors in the following screenshot dip too far...
http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/2201/torn4.png

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4. Here's the HOM I spoke of earlier...
http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/4228/torn6.png

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Sorry but I don't see the HOM, care to explain?

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5. Here I don't like the switch texture, but more importantly the light fixtures look strange because they get cut off where the lights meet the ceiling, i.e there's an alignment problem.
http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/4650/torn7.png

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6. All of the 'brain' areas on your way to raising the invisible bridge look bad because the same textures have been used on the floor, ceiling and walls but they don't align properly. Maybe some different textures should be used here? Also, the lights look out of place in rooms of organic flesh, I think. If you were going to use them I'd prefer if the lights at least had metal borders instead of just putting a light flat in.
http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/5081/torn9.png
http://img192.imageshack.us/img192/3158/torn10.png

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7. The transition to the outdoor area here looks odd, due to the height differences involved... I also can't help but feel that the level would look so much better if all the doorways weren't so square. Some 'arches' would work wonders.
http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/6005/torn11.png
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Okay, there you have a point. :) I guess I will use some arches at openings like this.

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8. The outdoor area here looks bizarre for a few reasons. It's hard to pinpoint what's the cause, but the part where the sky meets the wall looks odd. I think some more contrast is needed there. Maybe make the room indoor with lots of holes in the roof? Also the 'door' opposite where you come in looks like it might open at some stage but never does, and it's too blocky and too deep. Also, all the walls are so bare and the room as a whole is bland.
http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/175/torn12.png

Okay I will look into this. I think a simple border would be enough.

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9. This room also suffers from the same texture being used on ceiling/walls/floor with misalignment, and the ceiling is too bare.
http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/3451/torn13.png

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10. This door looks odd because of the black line on the wood texture below it. Maybe some little stone steps would be less jarring?
http://img195.imageshack.us/img195/3914/torn14.png

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11. When you enter the library area, the room to the right (through the grating) is a little too bare, not that most players will spend a lot of time looking at it, especially with the lighting as it is. Also, the roof in the BFG secret is too high...
http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/5413/torn16.png
http://img37.imageshack.us/img37/1229/torn15.png

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12. The big yard again looks a little strange for some reason. Maybe just doing something to smooth the transition between sky and wall (borders, etc) would make it look a lot better. I also think the shape is too blocky, in particular the part included in the screenshot..
http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/55/torn18.png

Yeah I guess I will use a simple border. About being too blocky, maybe. I will check into this too.

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13. The metal grating with flames would look a lot better if there wasn't a 90 degree turn. Make the wall curvier, perhaps?
http://img198.imageshack.us/img198/4421/torn17.png

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14. I don't like the look of this room at all, and think things would look much better if you just had a mural in the wall instead...
http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/421/torn19.png

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15. The room beyond the red key door is too bare again, and it has the lights issue I pointed out earlier. Consider doing something to the walls in particular. The teleporter at the end looks great though.
http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/2364/torn21.png
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16. I like this room a lot, but I feel that the height of the sector separating the cave from the sky is too great. Also, it's too blocky to look natural.
http://img44.imageshack.us/img44/9458/torn22.png

17. All the side rooms in the cave area look extremely bland by comparison with the cave as a whole. There are texture misalignments, and the floors and (even worse) the ceilings are all the same heights...
http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/5714/torn23.png
http://img44.imageshack.us/img44/8720/torn25.png

18. This room is nice enough, but again the ceiling is too flat.
http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/8463/torn24.png

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That's all I've got. Apart from the issues I raised, I think the map looks good and plays well. I'm sorry for taking so long to get back to you on this. It's pretty late where I am, so if I seem incoherent that's my excuse.

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[WH]-Wilou84 said:
Great map Torn !
Played it under PrBoom, the only problem I had was that 5 Arachnotrons were somehow blocked outside of the map.
I'll send you a more lengthy report by the end of the week.

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