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myk
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printz said:
We may have to wait until some new poster decides to break the trend and write interesting and playable and well-advertised mods or stories in this subforum, that have no more to do with DOOM 3 not running on their comp, or actually present the game in more appealing palettes, with similarities with the older two chapters.

People organize themselves by creating niches so things can develop, and other places (such as doom3world.org and planetdoom.com) have much more emphasis and information on DOOM 3, and are in a better position to garner attention on DOOM 4 or any such mods. The news here, and the subforum, about the newer games helps, as it facilitates mixing the player bases and also keeps classic fans up-to-date on what the company that made DOOM and DOOM II is up to without having to browse the Internet too much, but that's about it.

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kristus
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I agree with Airman. Anyone playing Doom3 and looking forward to it because they wanted to relive Doom in fancy new graphics are having unrealistic expectations. And I think they're wrong to have them too.

Doom3 wasn't supposed to be a continuation of Doom. It was a retelling, with all that comes with that. If you want to play Doom. Do that. But why are people expecting id to make the exact same game over and over again... While at the same time the main complaint against them is saying that it's exactly what they are doing. :p

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They were wrong in having those expectations only if they fooled themselves into buying it, especially if there were signs that it wasn't going in that direction.

There are two elements to consider. If you remake the same game with fancy new graphics, you get the type of game you like with fancy new graphics. Playing DOOM does not give you the fancy new graphics. Source ports try, but the result is eclectic. That is, there is indeed a demand to make the same games over and over, because they are fun, while the technology still allows you to enhance or adapt visuals.

Should games like DOOM be forgotten because technology changes?

Ironically, I'm a cheap bastard that doesn't like to waste money upgrading his computer often, so I'm pretty pleased DOOM 3 is different, as that gives more excuses to play the older games, with crappy or half-crappy graphics and all.

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myk said:
but that's about it.

Well, let's (myself) not get disappointed: at least three ongoing Doom 3 mods get enough attention here, through the news page and the user comments. Am I boring?

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myk
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What might get some attention here is Team Future's mod, but I'm betting most of the talk about it will be on the other sites, where DOOM 3 modders and fans hang out or visit more often.

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Yeah my point was that if you went into Doom 3 with an open mind you would've enjoyed it alot more. I know alot of people who tried it without ever having played the original Dooms and loved Doom 3; difference is they had no expectations, they just took it for what it was worth. That's what I intend to do with Doom 4.

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myk said:
Should games like DOOM be forgotten because technology changes?

No, people should play that instead of whining about how this and that game isn't just like this other game they already have.

03-26-09 00:37 #

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I said "games like DOOM" instead of "DOOM" intentionally. By "making the same games over" you make a sort of gameplay persist much longer than if you leave a sort of gameplay only as some sort of outdated technology used only by the people who bought it 10 years ago and their friends. It's done often anyway, as many newer game have retro elements in their design, often getting rid of secondary baroque stuff that was getting in the way of the fun and action. DOOM 3 itself has some of this, of course. Like you said in your post above, some people complained about that, even. I don't think it's the same people, though.

By the way, when the word whining is used like that, there's always a pot and kettle thing to it. It's always a compliant at complainers, thus whining in itself.

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This might have been mentioned, but Resident Evil 5 is less survival horror, more OTS shooter. Adapt or die.

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What does "OTS" shooter mean?

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It's "over the shoulder," a chase cam or 3rd person mode.

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Airman266
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I hate over the shoulder. Nothing pisses me off by getting killed by somethin I can't see because my guy is in the way.

03-28-09 04:21 #

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BloodyBandage
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I really wish they would treat the Doom series with respect and release a new version more frequently. The game is such a classic and iconic figure with story/lore and even with the movie they should be making them more often (without sacrificing quality)

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geo
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So the previous poster wants more Doom, but not sacrificing quality. Sometimes more time is needed for quality. Its that whole quality vs quanity sort of thing.

Airman266 said:
I hate over the shoulder. Nothing pisses me off by getting killed by somethin I can't see because my guy is in the way.

There's nothing I hate more than getting killed by something standing behind me and I can't see him because of FPS. That's probably the logic behind OTS. OTS just means more processing power is needed.

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Doom4 will be based on id tech 6, doesn't it? Voxel Based!

John Carmack on id Tech 6, Ray Tracing, Consoles, Physics and more

http://www.pcper.com/article.php?aid=532

http://ompf.org/forum/viewtopic.php...325229b5d83fdbf

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TheUltimateDoomer
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Well i am happy with Doom 3 right now so its not bothering me if its not coming out very soon.

06-06-09 19:41 #

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Zoost said:
Doom4 will be based on id tech 6, doesn't it? Voxel Based!

John Carmack on id Tech 6, Ray Tracing, Consoles, Physics and more

http://www.pcper.com/article.php?aid=532

http://ompf.org/forum/viewtopic.php...325229b5d83fdbf

I though it used Id tech 5 like Rage does.

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It does, it's just the art assets will be much richer so it'll end up using 3x the power of Rage.

08-25-09 22:13 #

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geo said:

There's nothing I hate more than getting killed by something standing behind me and I can't see him because of FPS. That's probably the logic behind OTS. OTS just means more processing power is needed.

That's what surround sound is for. I like games that you can really sink into. It takes away alot of realism for me if I can see my character. But that's just me. The last OTS I played that I really enjoyed was Dead Space, and before that I couldn't tell ya.

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I just hope they try and put the same emphasis on the original series' storyline that they did in Doom 3 (all the little hat tips and whatnot). I also ponder if they're going to use the same weapon models as in Doom 3, because I believe a few could use a refresher (notably: The shotgun in my opinion). While on the topic of the shotgun, I wonder if they'll be putting the double-barrel in with Doom 4 like they did RoE.

I definitely hope they try to give it a more 'earthy' and 'open' feel if the game is indeed earth based. The cramped spacey feel works fine for Doom 3, but trying to pass off earth would be a bit tough :P

Any speculation as to the Doom 4 plot other than the hints toward Hell on Earth? The maledict is dead as of RoE (Or so I think), perhaps the Spider Mastermind? ;)

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eargosedown said:
The maledict is dead as of RoE (Or so I think), perhaps the Spider Mastermind? ;)

Id has already confirmed that Doom 4's story line will have nothing to do with that of Doom 3's.

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Quite interesting. So Doom 4 will be an all new demon story? Okay, maybe it won't even have devils coming from Netherworld, but still be called Doom and have similar gameplay.

It will probably be a storydriven action with first person viewport and facing enemies to be destroyed, with the regular briefers to say what to do next.

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printz said:
Quite interesting. So Doom 4 will be an all new demon story? Okay, maybe it won't even have devils coming from Netherworld, but still be called Doom and have similar gameplay.

It will probably be a storydriven action with first person viewport and facing enemies to be destroyed, with the regular briefers to say what to do next.

No it will probably just be a Doom game that is not related to Doom 3.

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hardcore_gamer said:
Id has already confirmed that Doom 4's story line will have nothing to do with that of Doom 3's.

All they have said is that it'll not be a direct sequel. And that it won't be called Doom4, they're considering having a subtitle instead.

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Do you guys prefer it to be called "Doom: Subtitle", "Doom 4: Subtitle", "Doom 4" or "Subtitle"? I like the second, because it gives it more identity than the third, and the first seems incomplete without the number -- appearing as if trying to hide the first Doom. The last one might be cool if the id guys pull a good device to work with it.

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kristus said:

All they have said is that it'll not be a direct sequel. And that it won't be called Doom4, they're considering having a subtitle instead.

But subtitles suck :(

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As long as the game itself doesn't suck, I couldn't care less whats its going to be called. But in all honestly I'm expecting to see an game with high system requirements and the same dull and boring gameplay that doom3 had. I really hope they prove me wrong though.

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Doom Wars: an RTS by id Software

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dutch devil said:
As long as the game itself doesn't suck, I couldn't care less whats its going to be called. But in all honestly I'm expecting to see an game with high system requirements and the same dull and boring gameplay that doom3 had. I really hope they prove me wrong though.

Doom 4 is not going to be the same as Doom 3. Carmack said in a interview that Doom 4 gameplay would be fast paced and that there would be gibs.

I still hope they keep at least some of the horror elements from Doom 3 though as i actually liked many of them.

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