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idSoftware981 said:
And yes I have kind of went through a metamorphic transition into becoming more mature. I started out as a guy who was being a loud mouth guy who wanted Brutal DOOM with modern graphics... to a guy who just wants a DOOM that has atmosphere, scary music/good music, and very solid hardcore gameplay.


Oh yeah, it's been a long journey over the last several pages of this thread. You started out as a boy, but now you're a man, and you've grown up and left your childish ways behind you. Shit, tomorrow you and I will crack open your first beer and talk all about it. It's really amazing how much you can grow throughout the lifespan of a forum thread.

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DOOM 4 should have a mixture of the PSX DOOM's atmosphere of feeling alone... and the PC DOOM's version of breathtaking graphics, and feeling like "I CAN DO THIS! OH SHIT I'M RUNNING LOW ON AMMO!" Just imagine you are playing DOOM 4... there are tons of demons and zombies to kill... you only have XXXXX amount of ammo. All the sudden heavy metal is playing. You feel pumped up and you feel like you can do it. But then you realize after it's over that you feel lonely and start to get scared because of the DOOM PS1 styled music and atmosphere.

That's another thing that I don't like; mixing gamplay styles that are far different. The way you approach survival-horror games is way different than the original Doom's gameplay style. And the change in music depending on the situation from metal, rock, or whatever when facing loads of monsters to to creepy, atmospheric doesn't work. You'll end up with a game that has two different personalities. You either go for the slow paced survival-horror style or the fast paced action one.

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I think the moment IdSoftware981 presses the 'Submit reply' button, he just puts his fingers in his ears and goes "LALALALA CAN'T HEAR YOU!!".

Most of the stuff you brought up has been dealt with before in great lengths. Doom games NEVER had a complete heavy metal soundtrack, so you either haven't played those games or you're just a metalfan thats fooling himself.

The music transitions: NO. Just NO. It just doesn't work.

Also, just to be clear: the discussion is NOT split between people who want Doom 4 to be Rambo-in-space, and those who don't. Its only you who wants it to have constant thrash metal blasting. It reminds me of that stupid Doom comic book.

You're still making stupid comparisons with Resident Evil I see. First of all, I think Resident Evil is not a great example of good survival horror to begin with (the first two RE games were good, but thats about it IMO). Second of all, PSX Doom and Doom 64 have NOTHING, I repeat NOTHING to do with survival horror! There's no survival gameplay involved. Its still an action shooter, just with atmosphere.


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I think it's unrealistic to expect DOOM 4 to look nothing like RAGE. Even if the art style is different it's still id Tech 5. And if it's set on Earth that will blur the line even more. With that said, all the street shots were very far from RAGE. Interior shots were very close to what interiors in RAGE look like, true. Then again if we're talking about interiors of destroyed buildings, well, they WILL look similiar, not much can be done with that. The only difference might be the amount of dust considering RAGE is set in time where Earth has been destroyed for years.


True, but then again those screenshots could have just as well been from any kind of ruin-porn.

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Agentbromsnor said:
I think the moment IdSoftware981 presses the 'Submit reply' button, he just puts his fingers in his ears and goes "LALALALA CAN'T HEAR YOU!!".

Half of the problem is that we're responding to him, in this thread and elsewhere. If he's ignored then maybe he'll start structuring his thoughts coherently and make sensible and timely posts, without shitting up threads with his nonsensical spam.

Unless everyone else isn't like me and finds him entertaining. In which case, continue the "discussion".

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I know DOOM isn't all heavy metal music. There are some ambient soundtracks (E1M2, E1M8)

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idSoftware981 said:
There are some ambient soundtracks (E1M2, E1M8)


They aren't heavy metal but they are by no means ambient either.

PC E1M2:

PSX MAP02:

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idSoftware981 said:

Maybe Iron Sights...



I stopped reading right there.

Lol just kidding, but I think it is funny how you 'evolved' during the course of your posting haha.

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TB171 said:


I stopped reading right there.

Lol just kidding, but I think it is funny how you 'evolved' during the course of your posting haha.



Oh so Iron Sights means I'm a COD/MOH/BF fanboy? I hate all three franchises and quite frankly Iron Sights as in uh... let me think here...

Delta Force released on September 30th, 1998 was the first game to use iron sights.


But hey uh, that's right you guys don't like iron sights or reloading... DOOM 4 should be innovative, heck maybe bring back gore into video games... I want a very bloody, brutal, gory, and chaotic DOOM 4.... with PS1 Music on top of that...


Beretta M92FS Combat Handgun

FAMAS Semi Auto Rifle

Tootsietoy Dakota Shotgun

Chaingun

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Plasma Rifle

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idSoftware981 said:


Oh so Iron Sights means I'm a COD/MOH/BF fanboy?




No? I never said that, In fact I do like Call Of Duty, well mostly multiplayer shit. But Iron sights would never work in Doom, at least in my opinion.


idSoftware981 said:


But hey uh, that's right you guys don't like iron sights or reloading...




Where do you get that from?



idSoftware981 said:


DOOM 4 should be innovative, heck maybe bring back gore into video games... I want a very bloody, brutal, gory, and chaotic DOOM 4.... with PS1 Music on top of that...




Alright already we understand your wishlist, no need to repeat yourself nine hundred times :P

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It depends how you look at it... actually almost every FPS that came before Duke Nukem 3D used iron sights as the ONLY view option - in Wolfenstein 3D, Doom and Quake you had to look through your gun on the vertical, not on the diagonal.
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idSoftware981 said:

But hey uh, that's right you guys don't like iron sights or reloading...



Quit telling people what they like and don't like when you aren't even bothering to read and/or comprehend what they're saying. It's insulting and irritating.

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Quit telling people what they like and don't like when you aren't even bothering to read and/or comprehend what they're saying. It's insulting and irritating.



Everything he posts is insulting and irritating.

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OK I'm sorry for having opinions that don't agree with other people's opinions...


Also I'm sorry for being an asshole to everyone.

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OK I'm sorry for having opinions that don't agree with other people's opinions...




Nothing wrong at all about that, it's just that when one person doesn't agree with you about something, that doesn't mean you should just say "That's right, all of you guys don't like iron sights or reloading."

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In all honesty I don't mind reloading. It pisses me off at times, but then that's the whole point when you come down to it. I'm pretty sure the only reason it wasn't in the classic games is because they couldn't implement it.

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Many (most?) of the "oldschool / classic" elements that people glorify as "awesome / the best / signs of the golden age of gaming" originate from poor technology at the time.

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Many (most?) of the "oldschool / classic" elements that people glorify as "awesome / the best / signs of the golden age of gaming" originate from poor technology at the time.


Isn't the doomguy always aiming the pistol and the shotgun down the sights?

I really don't see the point for these SMALL features. I understand things like regenerating health or linear levels but this?

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Listen guys, I want reloading in DOOM 4...

But I want the player to be able to reload super fast so it doesn't feel like you reloaded at all.

And I also want the reload animation to be simple, none of this playing hackey-sack.


Iron Sights is a must, it adds a feel of realism and kind of adds a homage to Classic DOOM's holding guns in the center kind of feeling.

Ragdoll physics... :D


Tons of ways to dismember your enemy for many replay values.

Variety of weapons

Ranging from

Combat Pistol

Revolver


Scoped Pistol

DOOM 3 Machine Gun

Assault Rifle (FAMAS with carrying handle)

Combat Rifle (G3A3 with Ammo Counter)

Battle Rifle (MP5 futuristic style)

Automatic Carbine (MP5K with Ammo Counter, etc.etc.etc.)

Semi Auto Carbine (M16 Semi-Auto)

Sniper Rifle (futuristic Sniper Rifle)

Rocket Launcher

Grenade Launcher

Chaingun

Minigun

Plasma Rifle

Plasma Pistol

Plasma Sniper Rifle

Plasma Chaingun

Plasma Rocket Launcher

Plasma Grenade Launcher

BFG9000

DMG100000 (A Dark Matter Energy gun that creates a black hole that sucks in enemies)


Crossbow

Shotgun (Tootsietoy Dakota)

Combat Shotgun (SPAS-12)

Super Shotgun

Quad Shotgun


Enemies should look different... one of the reasons I loved the original DOOM... enemies looked different....

And yes I know having tons of weapons might sound a bit like Borderlands..

It's supposed to.

I liked Borderlands 1 idea of having tons of weapons...

But the fact that you could only carry 4 weapons at a time kind of pissed me off...

Hopefully we can carry all weapons at the same time and use them one at a time like DOOM 1.




We need a really good story and gameplay in DOOM 4.... If it's a remake of DOOM 4 flesh out the story through cutscenes, whatever you guys need to use to make it feel alive and like Hell is literally on Earth.

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Plasma Rocket launcher? Scoped pistol? Do you read your own posts?

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Oh my God, just shut up already. Please, just shut up. Stop filling the thread with full-page posts that are nothing but crap.

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That are nothing but crap? That's your opinion mate. All you guys do is just complain... you don't want change. You just want a bland DOOM 4 that's a DOOM PS1 remake... I like DOOM PS1... but you guys... you are as bad as me..... face it I am just your reflection. Also, I know what you guys think about me. You must hate me and my "silly opinions" I just wrote what DOOM 4 should have in my opinion. But apparently my opinions are crap.

We are all DOOM fans... united we are all DOOM fans.. why must we argue? We all found DOOM one way or the other, playing DOOM on the PC, PS1, N64, Jaguar, 3DO, GBA, SNES, Wii, XBLA... we all are DOOM fans. We played all the DOOM games and are excited for DOOM 3 BFG Edition coming out in two more days.... We are pumped up for DOOM 4 because we can't wait to see how id Software innovates.


We are the DOOM community.

We are id Software fans.

We are all united through Wolfenstein, DOOM, and Quake.

We must all remember what we DOOM fans are part of....

We must unite as a DOOM community...

And God-willing DOOM 4 will make all other FPS games bow down before it...


You guys might hate me.

But I know that deep down inside....

You are saying YES!

My ideas, yes I admit that they were stupid as fuck.


Honestly, I want to hear everyone's opinion on what DOOM 4 should be...

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idSoftware981 said:
You just want a bland DOOM 4 that's a DOOM PS1 remake


Says you!?


face it I am just your reflection

No, you really aren't

Have your opinion by all means, but don't repeat it every other post, and seriously, I'm still bothered by Plasma Rocket Launcher.

As for your black hole machine, you are proposing a weapon superior the BFG?

That gun list was just wayyy too long.
Fist, Flashlight (maybe), Chainsaw, Pistol, Shotgun, SSG, Chaingun, Rocket Launcher, Plamsa Rifle, BFG.
That's all you need.

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idSoftware981 said:
We played all the DOOM games and are excited for DOOM 3 BFG Edition coming out in two more days....


Weren't you the person who posted that Doom 3 was just a crappy survival horror game?

If Doom 4 development follows according to rules set by your posts, then we will get anything BUT an innovating game. We would get just another Serious Sam / Painkiller nonesense shooter that you fire off in a weekend and then never look back at, and id Software would be declared bankrupt in the months following the release since its impossible to get any kind of return out of what would essentially be a low-budget shooter. If you really believe you're an id Software fan then you would already know this.

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If Doom 4 development follows according to rules set by your posts, then we will get a game that is trying to be many things at once, resulting in a game crash, and probably the computer opening a REAL portal to hell.



FTFY.

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idSoftware981 said:
All you guys do is just complain... you don't want change. You just want a bland DOOM 4 that's a DOOM PS1 remake...


Weren't you the same person who said all this?


idSoftware981 said:
Why are you guys so obsessed with the PSX version and N64 Version? Have you not played the original PC version which IS the original and had epic rock/metal music.


DOOM 4 should be what DOOM is....


Tons of blood and gore.

Super fluid gameplay.

Killing demons in a Satanic enviroment.


Heavy metal music blasting loud.

No reloading


And no regenerating health (medkits FTW!)



And this?


idSoftware981 said:
I want to see a return to the DOOM PS1/PC monster designs and weapon designs....


And this?


idSoftware981 said:
DOOM 4 is going to be a lot like PS1 DOOM/DOOM 64/ meets DOOM PC.


Are you schizophrenic, or are you just arguing with yourself at this point? Or do you simply have the world's worst case of Attention Deficit Disorder? Jesus, I could pay better attention in school when I was eight than you can to your own posts.

Oh wait, maybe you said all that before your maturity transformation that you talked about earlier... yeah. I guess you had an epiphany, and now you're arguing against everything you previously stated. My bad. I should pay attention more.

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We are the DOOM community.

We are id Software fans.

We are all united through Wolfenstein, DOOM, and Quake.

We must all remember what we DOOM fans are part of....

We must unite as a DOOM community...

And God-willing DOOM 4 will make all other FPS games bow down before it...


You guys might hate me.

But I know that deep down inside....

You are saying YES!

My ideas, yes I admit that they were stupid as fuck.




This should be moved to Fan Fics / Fan Pics. It's art.

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This should be moved to Fan Fics / Fan Pics. It's art.



Honestly, I don't know why the funk he keeps posting in this topic. I think most people here are trying to share honest ideas of what they would like to see in the next Doom installment, while nearly everything he (she?) suggested has all been silly outdated stuff that would never realistically be a feature in Doom 4 anyway.

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Idsoftware981 is by far the worst person I have ever seen when it comes to contradicting him/herself. EVER TIME HE POSTS he changes his mind and claimed that he 'EVOVLED' over a week's worth of posting, then says whatever we (and by we I mean posters like agentbromser, Eris Falling, Caffiene Freak etc.) say that is different from him, we are all of a sudden non-idsoftware fans because of our different thoughts.

Please listen idsoftware981, this is a FORUM. Not everyone will have the same exact opinions or thoughts and give you a pat on the back and say "Good job sport!" because you claim to be one of the biggest idsoftware fans ever, yet you act like a fucking 10 year old brat. I don't mean too be rude, but holy shit, this has been going on for about 10 pages in a row of you saying stupid shit like "Oh that's right, all of you don't like iron sights" just based on ONE OPINION.

Either get over the fact that some people don't like your ideas, or your thoughts of what Doom 4 should be like etc. Or get the fuck out of DoomWorld.

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The Contradictor said:

My ideas, yes I admit that they were stupid as fuck.



So why'd you post them then? And don't say because you've evolved because it's clear that is bullshit.

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So why'd you post them then? And don't say because you've evolved because it's clear that is bullshit.



BECAUSE HE SAID HE MATURED DUH! (Sarcasm)

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