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Captain Red said:
I want to be late to the party. No long train rides, no wondering through labs blabbing at NPCs about teleport technology or the war ageist the demons; the time between hitting new game and when I watch the first zombie expire from bullet wounds inflicted from my service pistol should be measured in seconds, including loading time. A skippable intro is fine, but I want to start in a demon infested Space station/Military base/ city/kitten orphanage with the ability to monster stomping right from the word go.

No forced tutorial. No “Push SPACE to jump” prompts please. You either teach us Mega Man style or have an optional tutorial selectable from the main menu and not some in game NPC asking you if you need a refresher course or whatever. in fact...

No NPCs. I don't want a squad, I don't want some asshole telling me what to do through a headset. Maybe seeing the odd shoot out in the distance would be ok, but one thing I like about doom is the crushing loneliness of it all. It's all down to you and only you (and possibly a co-op buddy if that's your bag). NO NPCS.

Wood paneling on my shotgun. Because it's doom. Shut up.

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Clusterone666 said:
Wow it's been a while since i've posted on here. o.o
I honestly think Doom 4 should either be one of two things, revamp of Doom 2, or they make it something completely different.
If it is a revamp.
- Have a good amount of easter eggs regarding Doom 2.
- Have all the old weapons and stick to the old weapons, but of course with reloading, and iron sights with all that normal next gen stuff :P
- Have it be level base and stick to the concept of Doom 2 as much as possible, little story, more based on gameplay, of course have everything upped to today's standards, graphics wise.
- Have massive, city oriented levels that span extremely wide, while having hard, intense kill, strafe, kill, repeat battles.
- Have the original enemies, and original secret levels.
- include some new things like maybe a couple new enemies, but don't make the bosses like the cyberdemon in Doom 3, make them killable with all guns, just all guns do certain damage.
-BFG back :D and not the BFG from Doom 3 >.>

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Sahkan said:

Me Want !!!

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Clusterone666 said:
(list)

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Eris Falling said:

And let's not have grenades this time..I never used them..

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bcwood16 said:


I dont know, I have mixed feelings about this.

I did indeed use them in Doom3, but maybe more for fun, rather then actually needing them.
I had a mod that made them less 'bouncy' so they simply dropped to the floor and rolled away towards the monster (well it had a bit of throw to it). I had the shortcut key linked to one of mouse buttons, for very quick access. Thats the key I think, by the time you find it, its too late.

I guess it would be the same if grenades were in Original Doom, you dont need them, but I must admit rolling them into a small room full of imps and zombies, then watching them explode all over the walls would be amusing!

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bcwood16 said:

I had a mod that made them less 'bouncy' so they simply dropped to the floor and rolled away towards the monster (well it had a bit of throw to it).

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Captain Red said:
Wood paneling on my shotgun. Because it's doom. Shut up.

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mrthejoshmon said:
IMO doom 4 needs one thing...
co-op, don't care if it sucks, I just love co-op!

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D00mfan said:


Definitely this.

-A full sized Icon of Sin, apparently it has a body, so it would be interesting to see how they would do that in a level.

-Put an assault rifle in there, the standard weapon for a marine today is a assault rifle not a machine gun.

-Huge levels like in Doom 2.

-Redesign some of the monsters to look more like demons from hell , some of them look like generic mutants.

-More Chainsaw zombies, there's wasn't many of them in Doom 3.

-Maybe they could do a spec-ops version of the Z-secs, which use more advanced tactics and weapons like plasma rifles.

-If this is set on earth, we could have different types of zombies to fight with different levels of difficulty , example: police zombies with pistols and shotguns, SWAT zombies with assault rifles, machine guns and shotguns, ARMY zombies with assault rifles, machine guns,shotguns, rocket launchers and miniguns.

-Bring back the Spider Master Mind.

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DooM_RO said:


As I said before, in a game like Doom any kind of story (especially one that tries to be overly philosophical) could easily turn out to be obnoxious.

HOWEVER, good storytelling is another thing entirely. PDAs and secrets are an excellent tool for this because they are optional, they do not detract you from the gameplay and you can get as much story as you want. There could be interesting subplots in PDAs (which Doom 3 didn't have) about the lives of UAC employees, life on earth etc.. I agree about the megaman style tutorial.

Visual storytelling like in Alien or System Shock 2 (both major influences on Doom 3) would also be very fitting especially since the abstract levels in Doom tend tell a story. Just check out maps like E2M7 or E3M4 to see what I'm talking about.

Regarding your last comment, expecting Doom 4 to be EXACTLY like the classic Doom will lead only to dissapointment. Just look at Doom 3 maps that are carbon copies of the originals, they look VERY weird and not in a good way.

They can still retain the original feel of the games while making the game look completely new and they have already done that in a few levels from Doom 3.

For instance, the Central Processing level is a reimagination of the original (if you look closely) and while it looks different, it also uses 4 or 5 textures from the original Doom and also preserves the layout. Two more examples would be the excellent Hell maps from the BFG edition that feel very much like modern Doom maps. They feel new but so familiar at the same time and this is the kind of feeling Doom 4 should give. New but familiar at the same time.

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D00mfan said:


-Maybe they could do a spec-ops version of the Z-secs, which use more advanced tactics and weapons like plasma rifles.

-If this is set on earth, we could have different types of zombies to fight with different levels of difficulty , example: police zombies with pistols and shotguns, SWAT zombies with assault rifles, machine guns and shotguns, ARMY zombies with assault rifles, machine guns,shotguns, rocket launchers and miniguns.

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Captain Red said:
Honestly, if Doom 4 was basically Rage's shooting with Doom's magical array of beasties and some decent level design I'd be pretty happy. (Just Rages shooting mind you. leave the Driving and RPG-lite stuff at the door).

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Captain Red said:

Eh as much as I'd love to see doom's monster sprites come alive with id tech 5 I'm not really holding my breath for a shot for shot remake.

Honestly, if Doom 4 was basically Rage's shooting with Doom's magical array of beasties and some decent level design I'd be pretty happy. (Just Rages shooting mind you. leave the Driving and RPG-lite stuff at the door).

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DoomUK said

I'd like to have something as revolutionary as that game they released in 1993, yet one which doesn't forgo all of the qualities that made Doom great, but it's just not going to happen. [/B]

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Caffeine Freak said:


But only time will tell. I'm really starting to suspect that they're aiming for the next generation of consoles for Doom 4.

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Agentbromsnor said:


And why is that a problem exactly?

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Caffeine Freak said:


It isn't a problem (other than it meaning a longer wait). I wasn't complaining, I was saying it matter-of-factly.

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bcwood16 said:


Im not sure if these points would turn doom into a boring Zombie shooter....Zombie Island etc?

I think Zombies are Zombies, they should pretty much react the same way, just because they were former special ops, I dont think they should have the ability to run fast, do rolling stunts, have deadly accuracy etc. I think they should all be dumb moving, slow idiots, but happen to use what ever gun they had on them when they turned, such as chainguns, pistols and Shotguns etc. (Not saying that what you said, but gave me that impression).

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Caffeine Freak said:
I just hope that also carries over into their game design as well, especially since Carmack acknowledged a lot of Rage's most glaring errors at Quakecon 2012.

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DoomUK said:

I'd rather hear admissions like that from Tim Willits, or even lower-ranking employees at id who have something to do with the "game" part of their games.

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DoomUK said:

Masters of Doom painted Carmack as a guy who is largely indifferent to what kind of game his technology is used for.

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bcwood16 said:
I think Zombies are Zombies, they should pretty much react the same way, just because they were former special ops, I dont think they should have the ability to run fast, do rolling stunts, have deadly accuracy etc.

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