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MasterOFDeath said:
Risen3D is/was a branch of Doomsday that the author of, and the author of DeepSea, both violated the license of by refusing to release the source code. Some people noticed and informed the Doomsday team. They get mad and start a huge deal about it, and manage to shut down the Risen3D project for a while and get the author of DeepSea even more universally disliked than he already was.

Yeah, wasn't Deep banned for being a gigantic troll?

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deep said:


Wrong, wrong and wrong.

First off, I did NOT violate any license because the version of DOOMSDAY I based R3Dedit on was NOT GPL. Risen3D wasn't really shut down at all, just that Graham has no balls :)

Secondly, DOOMSDAY, regardless of attempts to say otherwise, is NOT legal GPL anyway (even though my version was released with the original DOOM license as distributed with DOOMSDAY originally). Don't want to argue - just the facts.

Third, GZDOOM is actually also NOT a legal GPL port. It can't be since ZDOOM can't be (should be simple to figure THAT out). And of course if GZDOOM was legal GPL, then of course the net derived version - SKULLTAG is illegal since no source released and so forth. It's all about ignoring the obvious contradictions in "license" for the convenience of argument.

People just say things and they don't like it when I speak out :)

And I've been just busy. There's a new DeePsea version shipping (mostly 3D interactive THING adding, deleting), but no time to edit the help file and update webpage.

(And if this is "trolling" .. well it's the way I've always openly criticized and challenged posts .. whether you "like" my comments is not especially relevant to me.)

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fraggle said:
Summary of discussion so far:

Everyone: Risen3D is a violation of the Doomsday team's copyright.
deep: No! Copyright and licensing are separate things!
Everyone: No. Licensing is a way of granting permission to use copyrighted material.
deep: No! Licensing is separate from copyright! LOL! I paid a lawyer $100,000,000 for this information!
Everyone: No, really, the code is the copyright of the Doomsday team and Risen3D is violating its license.
deep: No! You don't understand! Copyright and licensing are separate! Licensing is a way of granting permission to use copyrighted material!

This shouldn't come as any surprise. Deep's usual tactics in any debate or argument are to reply with 80% fact, 20% nonsense while selectively and deliberately misinterpreting what other people are saying. I've seen this happen so many times now. He even admitted in an email to AndrewB a couple of years ago that he gets a kick out of distorting arguments and winding people up:

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deep said long ago:
I dont care about the paying thing. When I say I enjoy toying with
the replies, that's exactly what I mean. It's fun to twist their
words back at them and show them how contradictory it all becomes.
Yup, I'm just one SOB. Besides, I'm way too old to change now.
Don't tell.

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Deep is a troll. Arguing with him is a colossal waste of time because he never presents a consistent or coherent point of view to be argue with. You might as well be arguing with ELIZA.

I'd suggest that the correct response to deep's nonsense from now on be "Shut up, deep".

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deep said:
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deep said:


Legal Bullshit

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deep said:


Wrong, wrong and wrong.

First off, I did NOT violate any license because the version of DOOMSDAY I based R3Dedit on was NOT GPL. Risen3D wasn't really shut down at all, just that Graham has no balls :)

Secondly, DOOMSDAY, regardless of attempts to say otherwise, is NOT legal GPL anyway (even though my version was released with the original DOOM license as distributed with DOOMSDAY originally). Don't want to argue - just the facts.. whether you "like" my comments is not especially relevant to me.) [

Third, GZDOOM is actually also NOT a legal GPL port. It can't be since ZDOOM can't be (should be simple to figure THAT out). And of course if GZDOOM was legal GPL, then of course the net derived version - SKULLTAG is illegal since no source released and so forth. It's all about ignoring the obvious contradictions in "license" for the convenience of argument.

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Graf Zahl said:
Nothing. GZDoom is not and never was under the GPL (because for obvious reasons it can't) so nothing of Deep's incoherent blabbering has any meaning.

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deep said:
(And if this is "trolling" .. well it's the way I've always openly criticized and challenged posts .. whether you "like" my comments is not especially relevant to me.)

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