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They hardly have intellectual copyrights on brick and concrete walls, metal support beams, etc.

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ROFL.

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They hardly have intellectual copyrights on brick and concrete walls, metal support beams, etc.

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ROFL.

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Well... they are Americans, you never know where they put copyrights on... ;)

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captmellow:

I think the point is to make something that existing .wads will work with. Sure the Darkening E2 textures look great, but they wouldn't really work in already made levels, would they?

ID can't really stop us from recreating the Doom textures from scratch. They hardly have intellectual copyrights on brick and concrete walls, metal support beams, fleshy surfaces, etc.

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You wouldn't have to change names, because the names are not in the .wad but in the actual game codebase which has already been GPLed. However, the likenesses are something ID can protect.

Additional: I think the first step would be to come up with a license that we could agree to before any actual content is contributed, or the project would not get very far for internal bickering. It would also be a good idea to determine whether any license we came up with could be distributed with linux sources (e.g. if it was suitable for debian)

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Some really good points made in that chat log, like:

1. call it a fwad or something to make it not work w/ original doom.

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You can't re-create anything that is clearly our work.

You can make a completely different game using the code with our blessing, but if it has imps, cyber demons, BFGs, etc, then you are treading on thin ice.

I hate to be the one to tell people this, but the reality of the business is that we are obligated to defend our trademarks and copyrights, so we can't just let things like that happen, even if they aren't perceived as a "threat".

You could make and release a new DOOM wad that replaced everything with similary looking original art, but it would still be bound by the restrictions we place on community derivative work, so it wouldn't be "free" in the sense that the GPL'd codebase is.

John Carmack

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1) What restrictions does id place on community derivative work? I want copies of official statements/docs.

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If our (my) purposes can still be met w/in these parameters, then let's do it (i.e. new iwad that replaces everything w/ similar original art--this is what I originally wanted to do).

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2) In what sense is the GPL'd codebase "free"?

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We'll end up with all the texture artists making support3 replacements.

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how about you read the gpl? :P

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Furthermore without some kind of plan or organisation it won't get anywhere either. We'll end up with all the texture artists making support3 replacements.

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hmmmm, i'd be willing to do the sprite work, granted that enough people can agree on how the enimies should look. I don't like those fancy 3d modeling programs for making sprites, if your gonna make sprites with a 3d program, you might was well make the sprites 3d models. And since this is doom, might as well make sprites the old fasion way- with clay and a digital camera. Only problem is i've got my hands tied at the molment with a project of mine. What i can do is donate the raw immages (without being re-sized or dubbed with the doom patelle) so that others can touch up the workand re-fit everything to exact specifications. And if this project is gonna get off the ground, its gotta get out of the forms first.....

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You wouldn't have to change names, because the names are not in the .wad but in the actual game codebase which has already been GPLed. However, the likenesses are something ID can protect.

Additional: I think the first step would be to come up with a license that we could agree to before any actual content is contributed, or the project would not get very far for internal bickering. It would also be a good idea to determine whether any license we came up with could be distributed with linux sources (e.g. if it was suitable for debian)

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captmellow:

I think the point is to make something that existing .wads will work with. Sure the Darkening E2 textures look great, but they wouldn't really work in already made levels, would they?

ID can't really stop us from recreating the Doom textures from scratch. They hardly have intellectual copyrights on brick and concrete walls, metal support beams, fleshy surfaces, etc.

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