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Ultraboy94 said:
i dont think so. since you cannot make money from PWADS then i doubt they are breaking the law.

though they are lazy and a waste of hard-drive space, no matter how well the music fits the level.

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Ultraboy94 said:


though they are lazy and a waste of hard-drive space, no matter how well the music fits the level.

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kristus said:
But because they're not making money off of them, they can't be taken to court for it. But the copyright owner can send out a "cease and desist".

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Maes said:
Sure. Good luck taking on some Joe Ass Random for using a T2 midi in a 1994 PWAD none cares about. I'm sure the "returns" will amply cover a lawyer's minimum 1-hour fare[/sarcasm]

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scalliano said:


Actually, don't. What they don't know can't hurt them.

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scalliano said:
Basically what I'm saying is that, unlike P2P and torrent file sharing, the inclusion of such music in wads is ultimately harmless, but try telling that to the RIAA.

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Aliotroph? said:
It wouldn't work anymore, but it was common for a while in the 90s.

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myk said:
It happened, as the game was popular and people saw it as a means to profit, but against the EULA, and id Software worked against it, speaking out and getting some shops to drop shovelware discs. Some PWAD authors, like the makers of Perdition's Gate and Hacx, got permission from id to sell their work under some deal.

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myk said:
Action Doom 2 is mostly okay to sell because, if I'm not mistaken, it's a standalone. It's only questionable bit is the inclusion of ZDoom, which is under a non-profit license.

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tempun said:

Did id had the right to prohibit selling PWADs, if those contain no material from IWADs?

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Extract from Doom's "Limited Use Software License Agreement" - 15-Dec-1993

"1. Grant of License. ID grants to you the right to use one (1) copy of the enclosed Id Software game program (the "Software") on a single computer. For purposes of this section, "use" means loading the Software into RAM, as well as installation on a hard disk or other storage device. You may not: rent, lease, modify, translate, disassemble, decompile, reverse engineer, or create derivative works based upon the Software.
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The Software, together with any archive copy thereof, shall be either returned to ID or destroyed when no longer used in accordance with this Agreement, or when the right to use the Software is terminated. You agree that the Software will not be shipped, transferred or
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The following was added to the License Agreement in 1994...

"In order to commercially distribute any such map editor or data utility you must first sign ID's Data Utility License and ID reserves the right to deny authorization to commercial distribute the any such map editor or data utility. You may request a copy of the Data Editor License from ID.

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