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I'd consider myself a junior Doomer since I haven't played for as long as most people here. I do enjoy *most* incarnations of the game.

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Abyssalstudios1 said:
...late December of 2012 would be a good guess.



40oz said:
Maybe on 12/21/12 when the end of the world happens and theres no humans left to play it.


End of the world speculations make me lol.

I doubt Doom will ever stop being played completely. Even as older veterans stop playing the game, there's an influx of new faces who come in and take part in contributing to the community.

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Let along that if you keep on posting such bullshit about "Doom dying" you will get an angry, extremely vitriolic rage letter from me, like these poor souls learned the hard way, 14 years ago ;-)

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I am certain Doom will outlast me. It already is a timeless classic.

Every time id releases a new game, a new wave of people interested in their history appears. Sooner or later they discover this great game. And the best thing about it is, that there is a multitude of source ports that enable them to try it on every system imaginable. Then they discover that you can play user made levels, make your own mods, play multiplayer and record and watch speedruns. Everyone can find something they like. It is also very easy to find information about it and it is easy to make mods for it. I was in awe when I discovered that a community for my favorite game still exists, after all these years, I just thought it was impossible. This makes me believe that Doom will never get old.

What will the community look like ten years from now? Well not that different. It will still have its members, and they will still be WFDS and Mordeth. ;P Well, hopefully not.

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Doom will be around as long as the internet is. After that we'd be playing it alone as long as our current/older computers running today's/yesterday's OS'es last.

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... and after that people will port it to the newer OS's and the thing will go on...

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In the year 4657, there will a Doom mod that recreates the entire galaxy.

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I am glad people are so optimistic about this :)

Hopefully Doom will indeed continue to live on forever.

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It has already died. It's like punk. We are all dead, ghosts who don't realize life has continued without us, shadowed freaks of nature.


Also, if the human race disappears, hellspawn will come hi-jack our computers and start the most insane DM

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CeeJay said:
However the community IS getting slimmer and slimmer.


While this statement is not false, it is getting slimmer very slowly

95% of people that were here when I first started posting on doomworld are still here.

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Doom will die the same day when the Demoscene and the last C64 user dies.

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40oz said:
While this statement is not false,

I'm curious, where did you find the information validating that statement? Yeah, people leave. But there's nothing suggesting that more people leave than there are new people arriving.

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Bastet Furry said:
Doom will die the same day when the Demoscene and the last C64 user dies.


If you take it to the extreme, even the most obscure hobby relying on ever harder to find equipment always has a niche of a few hundred people worldwide. Be it narrow-band mechanical television, waxed grammophone cylinders, pre-WWI cars or concertinas, you name it.

Anything digital that can be digitally recreated stands much better chances, and it's unlikely it would be forgotted unless a global scale disaster or something hit the Earth.

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hardcore_gamer said:


The fact is that Doom while begin extremely famous isn't that well known by a large portion of the current gaming community.


This makes me sad, because it is true.

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Most of today's gamers are a hopeless cause.

It's only the one that get fed up by the 'quality' of modern games while still maintaining an interest in computer games that discover the classics.

Most will just stop playing when they get older because they lose interest.

But this community will live on if only one out of 1000 gamers discovers Doom and likes it.

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To a certain extent, Doom is a fashion victim, like most other media products. Think about it, how many youngsters bother with older movies/music etc. or even a classic book unless they are introduced to it by a third party (usually their parents or school, if they have a culture/literature anthology class) ?

And we're talking about "shared cultural heritage" here. Not having played Doom is not exactly considered akin to not having read e.g. Oliver Twist, without going as far as Homer or Dante.

The different in that the latter are all promoted by educational systems shaped in decades or even centuries ("classical" education) and by society as a whole in one way or the other. They are -by now- part of what someone "must" know, unless he was schooled in an Islamic monastery or something. Movies and music have the advantage of being broadcast regularly by TV and radio, so the very least even the most dumb of emo goth trailer trash will get a hint now and then. Also, parents play a role in that respect, often offering a point of contact.

I am aware that kids today tend to be more and more uneducated fucktards that don't even know where milk comes from, let alone having read "20000 leagues under the sea", but that's not the point.

But video games are still seen as a niche, ephemeral, consumerist and trivial product. Why would they ever get that same degree of attention? OK, now they have outgrown what they were in the late 1970s or even 1980s, but they are still seen as something trivial, akin to plastic chinese novelty products. You don't really bother with those unless you are a collector and/or you don't have a life :-p

Unless someone is curious by nature, actively seeking or given a hint, it's quite possible that the average modern Halo-consumer will never even know that DOom existed. The "specialized press" have their share of responsability on the matter, depending on how they present Doom, when they mention it.

FPS games are no longer called "Doom clones", so off goes that association. Occasional references may pop up here and there, but it takes very little to present it as either a glorious classic you must see, and as just a "step in the past of video games none really cares about". And often the latter happens.

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With Doom Classic being released on the iPhone and on XBLA, it'll help people discover it.

Also, every time Id Software will want to cash in on this juicy franchise and release a new Doom game, it'll bring back people to the classic. Same reason that when Bethesda released Fallout 3 as a blockbuster, many people who had never played the old Fallout games (1, 2, Tactics) became curious and acquired them.

Also, you have now things like Good Old Games that provide for free or cheap classic games; and you have
the download package offered by sites such a Steam.

Sure, fancy graphics are nice, but when people are faced with the choice between shelling out $80 for Call of Cryshock 4 and spending $20 for a compilation of a dozen vintage games...

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Gez said:
[B]Sure, fancy graphics are nice, but when people are faced with the choice between shelling out $80 for Call of Cryshock 4



I'd bail for sure. Modern games are way overpriced and just waiting for 6 months often brings the price down to a semi-acceptable level - if there weren't the DRM issues that plague way too many modern games.

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Having legal dedicated distribution channels is good and all, however it doesn't address the cultural visibility issue I described above. Doom will never be considered "recommended playing" in the way that Oliver Twist is considered "recommended reading".

I don't know if one day there will be absolutely no stigma and/or implications of nerdiness for playing videogames. Judging from today situation:


  • Football/sports games
  • Football/sports management games
  • Facebook "casual games"
  • Wii-fit etc.


are not considered nerdy, on the opposite, they are "hip" (furthermore, they are usually best-selling titles even though they are aimed at the lowest common denominator of the gaming community in the broadest sense, which includes soccer moms, hooligans, macho latino plumbers etc.)

On the other hand, stuff like:


  • FPS
  • RPG
  • RTS
  • WoW etc.
  • Anything old enough not to be listed in current ads


is considered "nerdy" and playing with it means you have no life.

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There's still too many people out there who lived most of their life before the age of computer games - and unfortunately they are the ones in the positions where 'opinions' are made. Maybe in 10-15 years when the older gamer generation hits 50+ this will change.

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Maes said:
emo goth trailer trash


WHAT?


Maes also said:

On the other hand, stuff like:


* FPS
* RPG
* RTS
* WoW etc.
* Anything old enough not to be listed in current ads



is considered "nerdy" and playing with it means you have no life.




I thought WOW was currently the most popular game evar? Wouldn't that make it more important than casual web games and shit? Maybe I'm wrong but I thought wow had reached millions of players and that those numbers were unheard of until now. It's managed to reach way past its own niche.

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People will always play doom, just like they would with any other classic game. I've been here for six years, I'm not going anywhere.

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magicsofa said:


WHAT?



What are you "WHAT?"-ing at, you sofa-potato, bong-smoking, psycho-tripping hippie scum?



magicsofa said:
I thought WOW was currently the most popular game evar?


A good point. What happens is that WoW was super hyped and promoted as a way for "everyone to have fun in the world of Azeroth" or some shit like that. They borrowed some elements from casual/social network games like pimping up your avatar, doing virtual chores etc. to appear to an established demographic, and unleashed it upon the world.

It actually managed to appeal to both the casual "Omg I'm the cutest 16 yo girl/the craziest and wildest 13 yo kid in the worl/I only play it with my beer buddies on weekends after fucking my gf" demographic, as well as the most hardcore, Neverquest-playin' basement dwellers and "1337 pr0 z0mg l00k I'm l3v3l 60111!!oneoneone!!!1" types.

So WoW actually balances between "nerdy if you play more than 20 hours/week" and "cool otherwise", while e.g. Everquest definitively went into the "nerdy" category, both due to its age, and thanks to the efforts of Rich "Lowtax" Kyanka and thousands of SA goons over the ages.

But WoW is WoW. It's hard playing any other MMORPG/whatever without crossing the "nerdy" line.

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Yeah, the game will last in one way or another.
Besides, modern games have reached a point where it's pretty much impossible to casually create custom content - at least without spending ten times the amount of time and skill that mapping and modding for older games requires. Apart from oldschoolness/nostalgia, this is the main reason some games can stand the test of time so successfully.

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And by that logic, many gamers these days are confused by how many hoops one has to jump through to change something in an old game.

Mapping has probably become much more complex these days, but many other aspects of modding are much easier in newer games than older ones.

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kristus said:

I'm curious, where did you find the information validating that statement? Yeah, people leave. But there's nothing suggesting that more people leave than there are new people arriving.



Kristus, i have been around the Doom community on and off for over 10 years. I remember times when there were 100s maybe 1000s of Doom-related sites. NewDoom, Doom Shack, DoomHQ and countless others i can't even the remember the names of anymore. I remember when MegaWads and collobrated projects were spit out or planned every month. I remember when there was a sea of Doom-related active chat channels. How does it compare today? No matter how you look at it, the community is much, much, much smaller today. Sad but true. I'm not saying it is dead, just that it is getting slimmer, albeit slowly, i agree with that.

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As long we play, it will never die.

How can people think that Doom is dying? The communities are growing up every day. We see lots of great PWADs every year. I think the Doom scene never could be better.

@CeeJay, but on that time, most of those hundreds of doom wads were just garbage. one-month-made mega-wads. You had to search a lot for a good pwad. Nowdays, you see projects that take about years. It's much better than before IMO.

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Over the last twelve years I used to keep thinking Doom would die in the next couple years. Now I've resigned to accepted come to appreciate the fact that it will be around for couple decades yet. It may ever so slowly diminish in popularity, but it will be a very long time before the doom community actually dies. I thought Warcraft 2 was dead and just realized that game is still alive and well.

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A very young, angry but nevertheless prophetic Maes said, in 1996:
You gotta understand, Doom is not like one of those stupid commercial "games" ...(snip)... that will forever pass into oblivion and indifference between two issues of your magazine


The same holds for Warcraft II, among others, but just saying. The funny thing is that many of those relatively obscure FPS games like Corridor 7, The Terminator: Rampage etc. actually rode on the crest of Doom's immortal glory, and got a bit more light than they'd do otherwise.

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It is true about retro-gaming though...I mean I enjoyed Doom 3/Q4/HL2 etc. as much as the next person, but you can't really beat the days when gameplay ruled. My bro found a speccy emulator the other week and I've been reliving some of the games I used to play nearly two decades ago...even with 128K of memory and 8 colours, they still knew how to crank out the gameplay. I still have a bunch of user-made Lemmings stuff that I grabbed a while ago and haven't got round to playing yet...


Graf Zahl said:
There's still too many people out there who lived most of their life before the age of computer games - and unfortunately they are the ones in the positions where 'opinions' are made. Maybe in 10-15 years when the older gamer generation hits 50+ this will change.


I'd love to see it change...but unfortunately I don't think it will. Even if a retro-gamer who grew up in the 80's/90's got into such a position, I think he'd have to continue the practice of milking the cash cows or risk losing said position. (I don't think he'd last long against the board, shareholders & investors etc. if profits go down because he chose gameplay over graphics and sales figures...)


Gez said:
Sure, fancy graphics are nice, but when people are faced with the choice between shelling out $80 for Call of Cryshock 4 and spending $20 for a compilation of a dozen vintage games...


We can only hope that more people see that point of view...


neg!ke said:
Yeah, the game will last in one way or another.
Besides, modern games have reached a point where it's pretty much impossible to casually create custom content - at least without spending ten times the amount of time and skill that mapping and modding for older games requires. Apart from oldschoolness/nostalgia, this is the main reason some games can stand the test of time so successfully.



This. I mean, is there any game out there with as much quality user-made content as Doom?


Maes said:
But WoW is WoW. It's hard playing any other MMORPG/whatever without crossing the "nerdy" line.


I thought anything remotely to do with sci-fi or fantasy was crossing the nerd line (and anything remotely to do with WoW was crossing the black books line :p) although nowadays WoW is aimed purely at 10-year old kids who need hand-holding all the way through like every other modern game.

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