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esselfortium said:

I don't think Bad Religion were involved in the invasion at all, actually.



What are you talking about? Clearly Phobos is Infected

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Nightmare Doom said:
Especially for example what if Deimos was once a planet/moon but got turned into a floating Island by Hell meanwhile "Outer Space" is also getting rewritten as a large landscape of Hell?



Deimos and Phobos are both real moons, you know that right? =P


Hell is merging with our reality, at least it says so in Doom 2 on one of the textscreens.

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esselfortium said:

I don't think Bad Religion were involved in the invasion at all, actually.



I don't know. It could explain the name "New Maps of Hell"

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Hell from Doom was just a training exercise until Doomguy (who was off his medication) had one of his psychotic episodes.

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Spleen said:
These days, most people probably see Doom 1 as an action FPS. But you have to realize that back in the mid 90's, it seemed as much of an atmospheric game as an action game, especially to those of us who were really young at the time.
Yeah, perhaps to younger people (or even older ones new to video games) struggling with the controls and playing in the easier, less populated difficulty settings, but I think that, to a large degree, that's something that people started saying to excuse DOOM 3's different dynamics when people said it was missing some of DOOM's action. I mean, look at the intro demos, they're very action-oriented. While DOOM undoubtedly has some good atmospheric aesthetics, there's way to much violence and noise (roars and gunfire) for it to really be atmospheric play. The sound and look of blowing stuff to gibs and the relative high power and speed of the marine are too tempting in the end.

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I remember my first Doom experience, and it was one of HORROR, not of Action, I can tell you that. Doom was actionpacked, sure, but Knee Deep in the Dead was pretty scary back in the day, I tell ya.

Doom being an "atmospheric" game is definetly NOT something people started saying to defend Doom 3. It was something people were fully aware of back in 93 and 94 as well.

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And '95, when it was ported to the Playstation...

I like to think that as Hell crosses over to our dimension, it messes with the very fabric of reality, in that anything Hell touches becomes part of it.

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EvilNed said:
I remember my first Doom experience, and it was one of HORROR, not of Action, I can tell you that. Doom was actionpacked, sure, but Knee Deep in the Dead was pretty scary back in the day, I tell ya.


Indeed. I remember playing DOOM the first time on the SNES and, with the dark, dying screen of my TV, DOOM scared the schnitzel out of me and my cousin. After the first time meeting the zombies, I couldn't play DOOM for the next year or so. But I was pretty young then.

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I'd like to think of Hell as simply some sort of an evil "force" that gets hold of a society or a culture, "reads" into it and manifests itself in images relevant to the target culture. What would be the changes of the actual Hell resembling western preconceptions of Hell if the Hell didn't actually make itself match those views of ours?

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Jodwin said:
I'd like to think of Hell as simply some sort of an evil "force" that gets hold of a society or a culture, "reads" into it and manifests itself in images relevant to the target culture. What would be the changes of the actual Hell resembling western preconceptions of Hell if the Hell didn't actually make itself match those views of ours?

Ooh, that sounds a bit like what happens in the Berserk manga. Do you read it by any chance?

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EvilNed said:
Doom being an "atmospheric" game is definetly NOT something people started saying to defend Doom 3. It was something people were fully aware of back in 93 and 94 as well.
You're stemming from a "straw man" in your response, as I didn't say that was invented for DOOM 3's defense, but that people do tend to defend DOOM 3 by calling DOOM an atmospheric game. The main argument against DOOM 3 here being that while DOOM does have a strong atmosphere, it works better (than DOOM 3) as an action game.

The original game is a bit over-the-top and lacking in seriousness to really scare an adult, in any case. I do recall some guys stating that even the beheaded bunny scared them when they were kids, though, heh. Regardless of how effective the atmosphere is, denying the game's main theme is blowing shit up in a gory and explosive way is silly. With time, the atmospheric element diminishes but remains in the background aesthetically while the action element still holds strongly. The atmosphere is a kind of catch that welcomes people to the game while the action is the meat of the game. Even nowadays the game has its charm with its peculiar graphics and mood, without needing to be scary. In fact, much of that atmosphere is made up by the action. The bright reds from hell and the spilled blood or the pulsing green or the toxic slime have an exciting quality that encourages a "violent atmosphere" instead of something creepy. And as we know, horror is most at home in the things we cannot grasp or understand, and not so much in those we can blast with a plasma gun.

One thing that kind of muddled the scary aspect is save games. How scary can the game be when you can reload after and before each challenging fight? That's why to me the game only got more fun when I got better and I could consistently blast my way through it on UV without such help. The main reward wasn't suspense or horror, but feeling like a powerful hero that could blast his way through a defiant hell.

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