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Sergeant_Mark_IV said:
Found this one last night. Despite the fact that all Doom maps have a totally abstract and unrelated names for it's levels that have nothing to do with their design, Doom 2 Map 19 is the only map that can with a name that fits with the level with a realistic accuracy. I never had opened this map in Doom Builder before, but now I could notice how it has a perfect medieval castle design. First you need to enter the gatehouse, and open the main gate, then it has a bridge to cross the water pit around the building, in the main gate, the two frontal guard towers, the four main guard towers on each corner, it even has an internal courtyard, maybe used for parties, important events, or something like that. Looking at this makes wish that more maps in Doom 2 could be more related to their names. This one just became one of my favorites.

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This also makes me wonder, why the fuck they put a castle in the city levels? This map should have been placed in the slots of Map22, or Map24.

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Sergeant_Mark_IV said:
Found this one last night. Despite the fact that all Doom maps have a totally abstract and unrelated names for it's levels that have nothing to do with their design, Doom 2 Map 19 is the only map that can with a name that fits with the level with a realistic accuracy.

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hex11 said:
How can you easily tell if a texture is multi-patch? My editor (Yadex) doesn't annotate them any differently than other textures.

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GreyGhost said:
Don't use multi-patch mid textures in a vanilla map - I'm writing that on the blackboard 100 times.

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RjY said:

Edit2: on further investigation it seems you need the 1.8 alpha version (1.7.901)

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Tarnsman said:
I just found the Backpack on Map 03 in Doom II for the first time less than a week ago. I still can't believe I missed something like that in a game I've been playing for about sixteen years.

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Tarnsman said:
I just found the Backpack on Map 03 in Doom II for the first time less than a week ago. I still can't believe I missed something like that in a game I've been playing for about sixteen years.

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Optimus said:


Where was that? I just opened Map03 with Doom Builder and there was no backpack. Though, I remember years ago there was a little secret room that I can't find anymore and maybe depends on the version of my IWAD? It was on the water area with the pit, in the wall to the corner from the side of the entrance to the big area.

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spoiler - highlight to read:

It's in a little hidden room you can teleport into after you lift up the bridge to teleport to the last bit of the level. The teleporter to it is in the back of the room that opens up when you grab the blue armor at the beginning of the level.

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Optimus said:


Where was that? I just opened Map03 with Doom Builder and there was no backpack. Though, I remember years ago there was a little secret room that I can't find anymore and maybe depends on the version of my IWAD? It was on the water area with the pit, in the wall to the corner from the side of the entrance to the big area.

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Processingcontrol said:

I don't think the Medusa effect is caused solely by multi-patch textures. I'm pretty sure it only happens if any visible portion of the mid texture contains two patches which share at least one column of pixels.

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Sergeant_Mark_IV said:
This also makes me wonder, why the fuck they put a castle in the city levels? This map should have been placed in the slots of Map22, or Map24.

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_bruce_ said:
Depending on sector lightlevel the floors/ceilings jitter and move when a dynamic light, local to a sector, does its job -> floors/ceilings getting ordered around by the engine to show themselves via fitting visplanes.

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Maes said:


Actually that's a bug I noticed with Mocha Doom -I assumed that it's caused by numerical positioning accuracy between visplanes with the same texture but different light levels- and is only really visible at super-vanilla resolutions. Have you witnessed it with any other port? (I assume that ports with longer experience with hi-res modes have somehow worked around this problem)

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_bruce_ said:
When switching render modes in my port...

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Maes said:
I focused on this part of your port:



You are referring to the modified truecolour Chocolate Doom one, right?

Because in thie case both Mocha and your port would have something in common: they'd both be using the standard vanilla visplane rendering functions at higher resolutions (if you are using proper high resolutions and not just screen multiplication, that's it). Or, in any case, they are both using the vanilla rendering functions.

I take that ports like MBF, Eternity etc. somehow must have added a correction to this problem along the way. The standard Doom visplane function is of extremely low accuracy anyway (trying to squeeze computations into 6.10 fixed point numbers). Not so long ago, Chocolate Doom was actually using a higher-quality version of the same function, only to replace it with the fuglier one for the sake of accuracy ;-)

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KiiiYiiiKiiiA said:


Yeah it does depend on the version of the iwad you have. Earlier versions don't have that backpack secret.

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Optimus said:


Yeah, just found an archive with doom2.wad version 1.9 (mine was 1.7) and saw the difference. I do remember having found this hidden area in the past when my version was newer. It's not even marked as secret though.

I am wondering why newer versions which are supposed to fix important issues add also new secrets (for example a button behind a pillar in the green armor room in E1M1). Is it just a creative moment of the designers on the original levels that they decided to add? Or maybe these secrets were added to improve multiplayer?

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40oz said:

I just found this secret area in E2M5. Before today I had no idea this place existed and had never seen anything like it before. Worse yet, I HAVE to figure out how to get at that plasma gun.

(don't tell me.)

God this game is fucking awesome.

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