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chungy said:
and personally I never made any connection to that particular map and the band until this very thread.

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Vordakk said:


Yup, there is a shotty in almost every map. But there's only one map named "Nirvana", a word which has little or nothing to do with the plot of DOOM 2.

I really have no clue how wikis are "supposed" to work, and if putting that speculation up was akin to vandalism, then that's bad. I kinda saw it as harmless though, because the person said it may be an homage, not it was an homage.

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Mr. T said:

Nirvana is similar to the concept of the afterlife in Indian religions.

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esselfortium said:
lots of Doom 2 maps take their names from abstract concepts or words that sound cool and vaguely techy or mystical.

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Vordakk said:


No. Nirvana in the sutras is never described as a place. It's more of a goal or state of mind in certain Indian religions. The various religions define Nirvana somewhat differently, but all seem to have one thing in common: a sense of overwhelming peace and mental/spiritual freedom.

So again, Nirvana has little or nothing to do with the plot of DOOM 2. The game doesn't ascribe to Indian religious mythos, Doomguy doesn't go around meditating, and since he has 10 more levels to go at Map 21, he's not exactly experiencing peace and spiritual freedom.

Try again.

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40oz said:
That shotgun can't be a homage to kurt cobain. There isn't even any nirvana music in the game or anything. If there were gonna be homages to anything, they'd probably be to Slayer, Judas Priest, Alice in Chains, or whatever other bands they listened to, but there doesn't appear to be any references to that in any of the maps either. (besides the music of course)

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Mr. T said:

You're focusing too much on specifics and missing the bigger picture.

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Vordakk said:
Try, try again.

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hex11 said:
Also, what's up with House of Pain? That was a popular band at the time too ("Jump Around" was a hit in 1992). Could be someone at their office kept playing that, and it found its way into the game?

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40oz said:


E3M8: Dis is not a place either.

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In Dante Alighieri's The Divine Comedy, the City of Dis (in Italian, la cittą ch'ha nome Dite, "the city whose name is Dis") encompasses the sixth through the ninth circles of Hell. The most serious sins are punished here, in lower Hell. Dis is extremely hot, and contains areas more closely resembling the common modern conception of Hell than the upper levels.

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hex11 said:
Also, what's up with House of Pain? That was a popular band at the time too ("Jump Around" was a hit in 1992). Could be someone at their office kept playing that, and it found its way into the game?

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esselfortium said:

"House of Pain" comes from an H.G. Wells novel about the horrors of vivisection, and again, I wouldn't be surprised if Sandy took it from there or another literary source.

A lot of his ideas that contributed to Quake were based on the writing of H.P. Lovecraft, and it's silly to assume he didn't read other authors, so why not?

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40oz said:
Okay my example wasn't that great (I was only aware of the definition of Dis being the ruler), but what about Dead Simple?

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esselfortium said:

While they seemed to more or less stick with plausible location names for the original Doom's maps, Doom 2 branched out from that a bunch to name maps after concepts or just stuff that sounded cool. Dead Simple, Tricks and Traps, Gotcha!, and so on...

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Vordakk said:


No I didn't miss that at all, T. Nirvana isn't a place as I said before(please try to pay attention), it's a superior state of consciousness.

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esselfortium said:

"House of Pain" comes from an H.G. Wells novel about the horrors of vivisection, and again, I wouldn't be surprised if Sandy took it from there or another literary source.

A lot of his ideas that contributed to Quake were based on the writing of H.P. Lovecraft, and it's silly to assume he didn't read other authors, so why not?

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