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Quasar said:

Except it's not stagnant because there's a sea of anons still editing it. The quality of their edits is overall terrible, but since when is a search engine capable of distinguishing the quality of the material it is indexing?


Can you change permissions?

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qoncept said:

Can you change permissions?


On the new wiki? Sure. What's that supposed to accomplish?

On the old wiki, no. Any action taken to hinder editing of it would be viewed as vandalism and my admin permissions would be revoked, as happened to admins on the other moving wikis.

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Speaking of anons... Aren't derelict wikis good carrion for the spambots and vandalbots? Isn't this what is going to happen to the site ultimately? Or is it well-protected? :)

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Really.. if you could change the permissions to be more open, the spam bots could sabotage the site in to oblivion.

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Wikia has good spambot protection. I think they must simply maintain a huge blacklist of bad IPs (possibly mirrored from sites such as StopForumSpam).

That said, they are occasionally subject to attacks from trolls and vandals. It's kinda rare that this goes on a scale large enough to truly damage the wiki; and if that happens then the wikia staff can notice it and mop up the damage.

Allow me to reiterate that the wiki team will not accept vandalism of the old site; even if we want it to drop down its page rank and disappear from first page results. Vandalism just is not the way to go.

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I have just added a link to the Wiki on my homepage, that might help a little. According to the linkExtend toolbar, the PR for http://doomwiki.org/ is 4, which is better than mine which is 3. But all quality links help.

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Wikia is apparently hosting some kind of webinar on May 9 about improving SEO: https://www3.gotomeeting.com/register/774078086 .

Big bump, sorry.

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Everyone or some should link to the new wiki in forum signatures around the web, as crawlers will definitely pick those up over time and increase the rank of the site.

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Mr. Chris said:
Everyone or some should link to the new wiki in forum signatures around the web, as crawlers will definitely pick those up over time and increase the rank of the site.


Unless of course all URLs on forums are of nofollow type.

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i recently heard that wikia is bad so i start linking on my site to doomwiki.

im new here, actually i was a quake player :x is there a topic of the whole story what happend on wikia and about the split? drama, death, corruption.

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Well, it's all explained here.

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and ungainly "wysiwyg" editing interfaces would be proposed,

Excuse me, but why is WYSIWYG considered bad? I'd rather have that than deal with convoluted (unwieldy) wiki markup to draw common elements, such as tables.

I know the WYSIWYG from wikia wasn't/isn't complete: make something more complicated (like a table I guess) and it returns to plain text markup.

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printz said:
Excuse me, but why is WYSIWYG considered bad? I'd rather have that than deal with convoluted (unwieldy) wiki markup to draw common elements, such as tables.


The reason is simple: they output extremely broken wikicode. Stupid things like opening and closing a tag a dozen times with nothing in between (so it's empty and not displayed, but it still takes up over a hundred characters), adding the same category twenty times, etc.

It is also fundamentally incapable to cope with templates, which are heavily used in any decent wiki, Doom wiki included, which makes them de facto useless.

People who type out their wiki code have to know how wiki code works (it's not that hard to learn), which means that they need to be computer literate and technically minded -- exactly the kind of guys you want to work on a knowledgebase about software. Wikia's efforts to maximize their userbase through WYSIWYG editors, "create an article" and "upload photos" wizards result in wikis that are cobbled together blindly by dumb kids, who
#1 don't know how to use a wiki,
#2 don't know there are policies and guidelines in place,
#3 don't know what they are talking about as they have neither the knowledge nor the motivation to check their facts,
#4 don't know how to type in intelligible English,
#5 bloat the database with useless crap because they only need to click two or three times to make it happen.

This is an elitist viewpoint, but it has been justified by what happened on the Doom wikia; where people contributed highly useful content such as "Doom weapons that look like faces" (this includes all weapons).

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Gez said:


The reason is simple: they output extremely broken wikicode. Stupid things like opening and closing a tag a dozen times with nothing in between (so it's empty and not displayed, but it still takes up over a hundred characters), adding the same category twenty times, etc.

It is also fundamentally incapable to cope with templates, which are heavily used in any decent wiki, Doom wiki included, which makes them de facto useless.

That's just bad and incomplete programming, it has nothing to do with WYSIWYG possibly being inherently bad.



People who type out their wiki code have to know how wiki code works (it's not that hard to learn), which means that they need to be computer literate and technically minded -- exactly the kind of guys you want to work on a knowledgebase about software. Wikia's efforts to maximize their userbase through WYSIWYG editors, "create an article" and "upload photos" wizards result in wikis that are cobbled together blindly by dumb kids, who
#1 don't know how to use a wiki,
#2 don't know there are policies and guidelines in place,
#3 don't know what they are talking about as they have neither the knowledge nor the motivation to check their facts,
#4 don't know how to type in intelligible English,
#5 bloat the database with useless crap because they only need to click two or three times to make it happen.

This is an elitist viewpoint, but it has been justified by what happened on the Doom wikia; where people contributed highly useful content such as "Doom weapons that look like faces" (this includes all weapons).

That's why there's an undo function! Now our DoomWiki edits have to be reviewed and approved by a select group of people. I doubt even Wikipedia has that...

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printz said:
That's just bad and incomplete programming, it has nothing to do with WYSIWYG possibly being inherently bad.

It has everything to do with WYSIWYG being inherently bad. To have a template-aware W editor, you'd need to have a Turing-capable AI driving the editor. That is overkill.

Wiki pages aren't static document like a novel typed in Word. They are a cascade of highly dynamic elements which can all be updated separately (templates, transcluded pages, etc.). This is far too complex for some JavaScript widget, heck it's far too complex for an average Office suite.


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That's why there's an undo function! Now our DoomWiki edits have to be reviewed and approved by a select group of people. I doubt even Wikipedia has that...

That just means that the maintainers have more work to do policing the edits than before. The review and approval system isn't inducing without its own load of headaches. And the shit edits still pollute the document's history forever and ever.

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The Doom wiki appears to be down since It's taking forever to load.

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That's all of mancubus.net not responding. It's been acting out like that sporadically for a couple days.

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