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The Green Herring
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emailking said:

I liked the demo, but is that actually nightmare? Your text file says "PS11-055.LMP - Ultra Violence" Hope it's just an oversight.

After checking it out myself, I can confirm that it is indeed a Nightmare! demo. Hopefully, the text file will be fixed before the demo's uploaded to Compet-N.

Nice demo, by the way! I agree with myk: If the Arch-Viles didn't make any noise, you'd think it was a -nomonsters demo. Cool stuff! I look forward to seeing further demos from you, Mr.TF.

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emailking
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Cool. Glad it turned out you weren't cheating like some here immediately concluded...

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emailking said:
Cool. Glad it turned out you weren't cheating like some here immediately concluded...

There's no reason we can't be suspicious when one blatantly disregards one of the fundamental Compet-N rules (that demos be recorded with the vanilla executable), especially when the text file says otherwise. However, though I haven't scrutinized the demo, I am willing to concede that it was just an oversight and I hope that Mr.TF will continue to contribute new runs in the future.

02-07-08 18:34 #

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Never_Again
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Fourthed. Don't let this minor fsckup discourage you, Mr.TF; in the end it all turned out OK. Misunderstandings are eventually forgotten, and the demos speak for themselves years later.

In the meantime, another gap in TNT tables is filled today:
MAP21 Administration Center finally has a -respawn entry of its own.
Damn, I really dig this map!

02-07-08 19:20 #

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Reckoner said:
There's no reason we can't be suspicious when one blatantly disregards one of the fundamental Compet-N rules (that demos be recorded with the vanilla executable), especially when the text file says otherwise. However, though I haven't scrutinized the demo, I am willing to concede that it was just an oversight and I hope that Mr.TF will continue to contribute new runs in the future.

I'm perfectly fine with getting to the truth, but the initial comments struck me as overly harsh and judgemental. Conclusions were jumped to unjustly, as we have seen everything had a reasonable explanation. Instead of accusations, we could have asked questions. That's what I think anyway.

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I suppose I can agree with that, but depending on one's definition, the claim that he "cheated" was substantiated by LMPC, since Compet-N rules consider non-vanilla recording to be a "cheat." I think that is what Hitherto and entryway meant. To say that Mr.TF was using tool-assistance would, of course, be unjustified without further scrutiny of the demo.

02-07-08 23:01 #

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Grazza
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Well, according to the precise wording of the compet-n rules, it is also "cheating" to use regular Doom2.exe for Final Doom demos (as opposed to Final Doom's Doom2.exe). And clearly that isn't heeded at all.

It is simpler, and a more natural use of language, just to refer to it as an invalid entry unless there is clear evidence of bad intent.

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Grazza said:
Well, according to the precise wording of the compet-n rules, it is also "cheating" to use regular Doom2.exe for Final Doom demos (as opposed to Final Doom's Doom2.exe). And clearly that isn't heeded at all.

Nah, it says that the following is not allowed (or is "cheating"): Using a different EXE other than DOOM.EXE v1.9 (size 715493 bytes) for Ultimate DOOM, DOOM2.EXE v1.9 (size 709905 bytes) for DOOM2 and Final DOOM, DOOM2.EXE v1.9 (size 722629 bytes) for Final DOOM is not allowed.

I remember, heh, that once Altima uploaded a Requiem or MM2 demo he had inadvertently recorded with The Ulimate DOOM's engine, and it got disqualified.

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K!r4
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This entry is a nice one Mr.TF, nice moves in these corridors !
Too bad you are stucked one second in a corner...
You can hear the archies who are teleported a bit after the start.

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Never_Again
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I don't know how far my fascination with TNT MAP21 will take me, but here is its new UV Max run for all you TNT lovers out there. With Xit, DeDo and myself we only need to get Eternal here over from i.iddqd.ru, and we got a regular crowd. :P

02-09-08 20:37 #

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Never_Again
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TNT MAP27 (Mount Pain) has finally been done on -respawn: ER27-856.
Odd that I hadn't seen the VPO problem in the Blue Key room mentioned anywhere.

That leaves only MAP09 (Stronghold) without a -respawn entry.

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Squonk
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What's wrong with doom2.net? It just can't stay more than two days on?

02-11-08 07:09 #

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Ryback
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If anyone's interested I've put together a zip file of all the iwad demos currently in incoming, using Never_Again's very useful summary of all the demos. Mislabeled demos have been renamed, and the zipfile has the full directory structure so you should be able to just unzip it in your compet-n directory.

http://competn.doom2.net/incoming/d...080212-iwad.zip

02-13-08 08:02 #

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Never_Again
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Thank you, Ryback. I didn't get around to sorting out the files, and now I don't have to. =)

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Never_Again said:
I don't know how far my fascination with TNT MAP21 will take me, but here is its new UV Max run for all you TNT lovers out there.

Never_Again said:
TNT MAP27 (Mount Pain) has finally been done on -respawn: ER27-856.

It's always great to see maxes or respawn demos for biggest iwad's maps.

Did you have some Drake O'Brien levels beyond the Evilution's trinity?

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Never_Again
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I don't even know if he made any other levels besides the three in TNT. I would certainly love to play them.

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Never_Again
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Never_Again said:
TNT MAP27 (Mount Pain) has finally been done on -respawn: <...>
That leaves only MAP09 (Stronghold) without a -respawn entry.

Wrong, I forgot about MAP20 (Central Processing). But tonight it received its first -respawn entry as well. =)

02-14-08 02:04 #

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Some time ago I remembered trying map09 in -respawn but I was unable to do it. It should be possible, but it is an actual challenge, as opposed to the other undone maps, where I was simply too lazy to make a serious attempt at them. I suppose plutonia needs some -respawns as well.

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Ryback
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Hmmm... looking through the files in that iwad collection, I've noticed that I included pn06-105, which can be played through to about 0:50 but then gets corrupted. Xit, I think that's your demo: would you be able to resubmit?

Another Xit demo, ps01-103, actually misses the secret by a hair so it's invalid. I've taken these two out of the pack and deleted them from incoming as well.

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Never_Again
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xit-vono said:
Some time ago I remembered trying map09 in -respawn but I was unable to do it. It should be possible, but it is an actual challenge

MAP09 really deserves a thread of its own.

Ryback said:
Hmmm... looking through the files in that iwad collection, I've noticed that I included pn06-105, which can be played through to about 0:50 but then gets corrupted. Xit, I think that's your demo: would you be able to resubmit?

Another Xit demo, ps01-103, actually misses the secret by a hair so it's invalid. I've taken these two out of the pack and deleted them from incoming as well.

I thought pn06-105 was Xit's (who else?), Xit please re-up it.
I'll update my Summary accordingly.

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xit-vono
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I reuploaded that pn06 demo, and did a new ps01 as well.

02-14-08 18:19 #

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Never_Again
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Good work! gotta love the description on pn06-105 ;D

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xit-vono said:
I suppose plutonia needs some -respawns as well.

I hear you. Here is the first -respawn entry for MAP14 (Genesis). This is my first Plutonia demo in about 8-9 years. =)

Edit: just after I posted that first exit, I saw how this map should be played (i.e. stx-Vile's UV Max run), which resulted in the second entry. If you haven't seen the first one, you didn't miss much; go straight to the second. ;)

Last edited by Never_Again on 02-15-08 at 05:09

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It is nice to see some new plutonia entries. Good work guys.

02-15-08 03:31 #

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Ryback
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Now another zipfile, this one has all the pwad demos from the last compet-n update which Adam didn't include in the full update file. I'm sure everyone already has this demos in their archive but just for completion's sake:

http://competn.doom2.net/incoming/d...050703-pwad.zip

02-15-08 11:18 #

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DeDo
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I finally managed to do my long attempted TNT ep.1 max run.
http://competn.doom2.net/incoming/compet-n/5445ev01.zip

Really happy I did it, it was on my to-do list for too long now. Check the .txt for more info about it if you like reading this sort of stuff. :)
This year has been great for TNT stuff so far, let's keep it up. :D
I'll start working on another max movie, but dunno yet if it will be ep.2, ep.1 -fast or some different wad.
Anyway, I hope you'll like this demo. :)

And Never_Again, where's the ep.3 max? :P

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Eugene
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DeDo said:
I finally managed to do my long attempted TNT ep.1 max run.
http://competn.doom2.net/incoming/compet-n/5445ev01.zip

My congratulations. I'm going to watch the demo asap.

DeDo said:
I'll start working on another max movie, but dunno yet if it will be ep.2, ep.1 -fast or some different wad.

It's would be great to see these episodes on -fast but I'm guess they are too hard to beat in max stile. Especially the second one. Fast and complete teleportation of the -fast monsters is the real problem on some levels.

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The Green Herring
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DeDo said:
I finally managed to do my long attempted TNT ep.1 max run.
http://competn.doom2.net/incoming/compet-n/5445ev01.zip

Cool! I'll watch it soon.

In the meanwhile, two days after I posted my UV -respawn for Community Chest 3 MAP27 in the Community Chest thread, another level that has gone a long time without a UV -respawn entry now has one, this time on the PWAD side. Coinciding with my newest DM2GM2 demos in the misc. demos thread, there is now a 2:42 UV -respawn demo for Memento Mori MAP11: Halls of Insanity. Enjoy my first "true" Compet-N run ever!

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DeDo
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Nice one Herring. I wanted to max that that map once but couldn't figure out how to approach the not pssible to get 100% thing so I left it alone in the end.

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