Schneelocke
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Opulent said:
It is all about personal property.
I gave you private demos of mine and of other players.. as well as other data. Just because everyone else will enjoy it, doesn't make it their property or right to obtain it.
If my neighbor lets me photograph her naked, that doesn't mean she would appreciate the whole world seeing those images... everyone else wouldn't mind(she's pretty hot) but it is not my property to share.
I took a lot of time getting these demos (and game data) together. I'm convinced that I have more FPS demos than anyone. Why hoard this data if others could enjoy it.... so I deemed it okay to send it to those who had 'earned' it or who could appreciate it. That is why I offered in the first place.
IIRC, I sent you the CDs with my own money. I collected the data for years, put it together, and sent it to you. All you did was say you wanted it... and you did say thanks... but I obviously made the wrong decision then.
Of course, I didn't send you most of the private stuff anyway, but there is certainly some of that in there.
Your casual attitude toward the entire situation tells me that I shouldn't have shared it with you.
Yes, you did send the CDs to me for free, and I'm very grateful for that, but to be fair, let me say that IIRC, I did offer to reimburse you for the CDs and the shipping expenses, and you declined.
Outside of that, I can only say again that I'm sorry; you didn't tell me that you wanted to keep these demos (many (most?) of which already were published on the SDA, C-N, PDANG etc.) private, and I had no reason to assume there would be anything with sharing them. This is not about naked photos of your neighbours, after all; to me at least, it's more akin to - say - sporting competitions. If two football teams met and played a match, a reporter for the local newspaper who published the results afterwards wouldn't expect to be chastised for it, either, at least not unless it was said in advance that the results are not supposed to be published.
I've got to admit that I do not agree with the notion that demos should be kept private at all, and I won't lie about it and say I do. This is not a casual attitude at all - quite the opposite. I believe in sharing, free culture, and in not keeping things secret needlessly. That being said, I won't share the CDs with anyone else again, and I apologise again for having done so, but I also want to reemphasise that I don't see having done so as morally/ethically wrong. It would be different if you had said I shouldn't share them or if I had had reason to believe that you wouldn't want them to be shared (as would've been the case if it had been about naked pictures of a neighbour), but that simply wasn't the case.
In any case, only two people actually downloaded the CDs before I took them down again, so you may at least be relieved to hear that there wasn't much "damage" that was done.
However, let me end this post with a specific quote from what you said above:
Why hoard this data if others could enjoy it....
Indeed - that's just what I'm asking myself, and that's just what I asked myself when I decided to put the CDs up, too. Why hoard the data if others could enjoy it? To me, sharing the demo love is fundamentally a Good Thing(tm).
I do acknowledge that as far as your own demos are concerned, at least, it's your decision whether they should be made public or not, and as I said above, I will respect your wishes in that regard, but I still don't understand it. I *literally* don't.
(I'd also like to repeat again that it was not my intention to hurt or disrepect anyone, their wishes or their feelings; I genuinely believed that everyone would think that this was a good idea, and that the only reason you hadn't put up the complete CDs yourself already was a lack of diskspace/bandwidth/etc. and that thus, you, too, would be happy to see that I was making them available to interested others. So given all that, I've got to admit I'm feeling like I'm being treated a bit unfairly.)
(Oh yeah, and after all this, I hope we can resolve the whole thing amicably. I'll ask before giving demos etc. to anyone in the future (other than what's available to the general public at the SDA, C-N and PDANG already), and I apologise again for my mistake, while you acknowledge that I didn't mean to be a jerk and that I only had good intentions - how does that sound? :) If you want to, I can also still reimburse you for the shipping costs and the CDs, BTW - no problem there.)
Last edited by Schneelocke on 10-14-06 at 18:46
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