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Hitherto
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H1F1-135

01-25-08 19:24 #

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VinceDSS
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xit vono replied with a 1:33 :)

almost feels like compet-n back in the days **

hitherto > I will put your demo in incoming, but next time email it to heretic . demos at free . fr

01-27-08 20:55 #

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xit-vono
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Well I've just done a nightmare run for e3m8. I think that should be pretty entertaining to watch.

01-28-08 01:26 #

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VinceDSS
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hitherto >

for some reason I can seem to be able to open your h1f1-135.zip ...
Do other people have the same problem ?

01-30-08 05:19 #

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myk

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VinceDSS said:
Do other people have the same problem ?

If you try to save from the link, you download the download page, but named like the ZIP file. You need to go to the link with your browser and download the file from the link the page provides.

01-30-08 05:36 #

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VinceDSS
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woa , stupid me :D

seeing the link with a .zip I kept trying to 'save as' :D

01-30-08 13:52 #

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xit-vono
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I have a question Vince: is it allowed to use morph ovum in a pacifist demo?

01-31-08 00:38 #

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VinceDSS
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Yes I think so, it does not harm the monsters it touches.
And I dont think pacifist is against humiliating monsters :D

And now that you make me think about it I should make the rules a little clearer.

01-31-08 01:48 #

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VinceDSS
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new demos by hitherto, quality stuff :D

http://lsvc.free.fr/Heretic-N/Incoming/h1f2-422.zip

http://lsvc.free.fr/Heretic-N/Incoming/h1f1-130.zip

edit : 11-may-08 many more demos by JC and Xit have been uploaded

Last edited by VinceDSS on 05-11-08 at 17:28

04-26-08 04:18 #

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Hitherto
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VinceDSS said:
Tyson will be accepted as long I get a few demos (let's say 3). The rules will be the same as the compet-n (weapons 1 and 2 only + the artifacts). Should be interesting to watch as the items will be quite helpfull :D

I think that combination wand + book is too powerful for "tyson" and should be disallowed.

05-14-08 00:54 #

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Creaphis
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Tyson demos for Doom can be a tad too slow for my taste, as the pistol is the only allowed long-range attack. I would say that allowing the tomed wand makes the demos faster paced and more interesting to see in Heretic.

05-14-08 01:42 #

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VinceDSS
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I would also be for allowing the wand+tome combo, but I would like to hear from more players and watchers... if the majority doesnt like it I am not against forbidding it.

for the demos, I uploaded a bunch of demos from JC, with a couple of neat ep1 movies.

05-14-08 02:30 #

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xit-vono
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I think that tome+wand is indeed a powerful combination but I personally believe it should be allowed. Besides, Heretic doesn't have berzerk so it kinda balances out. Tome is of course limited in duration and we've only seen tyson demos on the easiest of the maps. Also I believe that it is better to have simpler rules than to say don't use this item with this weapon etc. I think items make it more interesting. We may see if tyson is in general too easy with these rules.

05-14-08 02:49 #

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Creaphis
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If a category is "too easy" that just increases the amount of competition in that category.

What's a good Heretic port for demo playback? I'd rather not have to fuss with dosBox.

05-14-08 02:51 #

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Hitherto
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Tyson-style origin, imho, is primarily hand-to-hand combat, with auxiliary ranged weapon for hitting distant switches and killing inaccesible monsters, not for trivial shooting.

xit-vono said:
Besides, Heretic doesn't have berzerk so it kinda balances out.

On other side, Heretic's vampiric gauntlets makes player nearly indestructible. For example, 1 book easily enough for safe shutdown 1 maloutaur or 1 d'Sparil raider. Only d'Sparil-on-foot power may break player's health below zero: http://e1m2.net/hth/vampire.zip

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05-14-08 04:45 #

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VinceDSS
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Creaphis said:
If a category is "too easy" that just increases the amount of competition in that category.

What's a good Heretic port for demo playback? I'd rather not have to fuss with dosBox.

I agree with your 1st statement :D

And for a port that can play heretic demos, there are none really 100% compatible. Only wheretic can run some demos but it is quite clunky. So you will be stuck with dosbox or winxp command line if you want to see all the demos.

It is somewhat sad to see the amount of *obscure* doom ports that are still developed but not played, and no decent heretic port... (like prboom or chocolate doom for doom)

05-14-08 05:05 #

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I guess that could also have something to do with code licensing, but mostly that making a Doom port as opposed to making a Heretic port gives you a bigger e-penis.

Okay, I guess I'll have to fudge with DosBox, as I don't want to watch demos with no sound.

And the general indestructibility of the player when he has a tome powerup is exactly what will make Tyson demos so interesting to watch. It'll be like Quake speedruns, where the player grabs a quad damage and goes nuts.

05-14-08 20:54 #

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e-penises are not the real thing, it doesnt help in real life with real girls **

And I would judge the size of "e-penis" with the number of people ACTUALLY using the port ... which is almost nobody for some of the ports out there.

A vanilla compatible heretic port would probably have as much success as prboom or chocolate doom.

05-15-08 14:21 #

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Heretic-N updated along with a new patch.

06-17-08 19:41 #

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mike finally broke the deadly silence with a huge improvement on h4f6:

http://lsvc.free.fr/Heretic-N/Incoming/h4f6-445.zip

02-10-09 01:36 #

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Hitherto
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Tyson for e1m4 in wand-free style, 5:27

I picked an easy task, just for breaking the almost 2 year long silence. At first I targeted for beating Xit's H1P4-156 (btw mistakenly marked as JC's in HoF), but I was not able to pass green door even once.

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I watched another time h1p4-156 with double RAVMAP cheat and still don't understand where that deaf garg (which should sit right behind the green door) really was in that moment. :o

Attachment: h1t4-527.zip
This has been downloaded 6 time(s).

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04-20-12 16:14 #

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kimo_xvirus
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I actually tried tyson for this map in 2010, and had a time of 5:22.
I have sent a number of demos, but Vince has never put them in /incoming.
I'm attaching all the demos that I have done since the last update.
All were done in 2010 except 2 were in 2012.

The nomo demos, I recorded with the stats screen, and then I cut till the last tic with a hex editor and time them. I have included the cutted demos in 'nomonsters.zip'

I might get to do serious heretic speedrunning in the summer :)

Attachment: kimoheretic.zip
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04-20-12 20:09 #