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In zdaemon I have, in several instances, witnessed players void gliding during deathmatch

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I went to test a situation like this with xdre:
One wall is going directly north-east and second is going directly north. Then I placed 2 players to form a "wall" to test if it's possible to do the void glide.
| = wall going directly north
/ = wall going directly north-east
oo = two players forming a wall
g = guy trying to go to the void
... = space

...|
oo|
g/
/

For some reason, guy trying to go to the void bounced from the wall to south-west with speed of 29.120328. The strange part is that it kept going with that speed, even with WT tics inserted :P It stopped when he hit a wall.


When the void glide succeed with normal walls, the distance moved is over 60. I think I got it as high as 67.93.

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how exactly am i supposed to push the button from the outside in e2m6?

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odysseyofnoises said:
how exactly am i supposed to push the button from the outside in e2m6?


This is exactly what I'm trying to figure out. I've spend over 3 hours try to get the switch to activate, and nothing has happened. Getting outside of the map was the easy part -- and that wasn't even easy.

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ive managed to get it two times when testing, but now ive been trying for hours and cant get it... i got to the void quickly though

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Just look perpendicular to the wall and slide to the correct position. Correct position in this case is that you can barely see the button. That's the easiest way I think.

Fastest way should be to use some other angles, but I think that would require some calculations or extreme amount of luck.

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looper: i've experienced this type of elastic mega-collision too, even when using just walls. i actually got it to work (almost, kinda) reliably and i remember gusta talking about exploiting a similar (the same?) effect for a speed trick in some future map of his.

http://www.doomworld.com/vb/showthr...962#post1091962

here, if you move the barrels around a little, you'll get the elastic effect eventually. :P

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Looper said:

For some reason, guy trying to go to the void bounced from the wall to south-west with speed of 29.120328. The strange part is that it kept going with that speed, even with WT tics inserted :P It stopped when he hit a wall.



Whoops! Probably because the doomguy was midair (and hit the ground at the same tic as he hit the wall)... silly me. Although the deceleration was kind of slow but I guess it was still normal :p



I admit that he looks like John Cleese, huehuehue.

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Regarding pressing the e2m6 exit switch from the void (and other such cases), the main point to understand is that this isn't a normal switch trick. You can't press it through the wall. This type of linedef will "eat" use-key presses. You need to press the end of the exit linedef itself, and obviously from the correct side. For this, you need to approach it pretty much as in a glide, and align yourself perfectly with it, and be pressing use at exactly the right moment so that you are in contact with the linedef but infinitessimally on the correct side of it. As I say, it is just like a glide, except that at the critical moment you press the switch rather than slide through a gap.

This is one reason why void glides are only useful in a narrow range of circumstances - the exit linedef needs to touch the void directly and the player needs enough room to slide up to it.

Other demos that use this:
http://doomedsda.us/wad1736.html
http://doomedsda.us/wad1501.html (my nomo - there's no void glide here, but there is a linedef that eats use-key presses)

This is one "hidden" feature that makes xepop's p2m6 so impressive - to the untrained eye it looks like a normal switch trick (and that he executes it a little uncleanly), whereas it is something requiring precision that he accomplishes very quickly.

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Maybe old news but I noticed that in Resurgence beta1 map30 I'm able to do a classic guided glide without positioning myself "properly". Instead of 0 angle I can use something like 23, didn't know that was possible. Recorded with -complevel 2 so that I could use -longtics.

Attachment: resur-glide.zip
This has been downloaded 20 time(s).

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I'm working on a 2002ado.wad TAS demo and stopped on E1M5 because I decided to test Memfis' idea of a void glide. Is any of these glides possible?
I tried all of these, but I only got a wobble on two of them and nothing else (the momentum I gained on wobbling was not enough, it goes up to ~17 and stops, -turbo 255 didn't help as well).
P.S.: There is a test demo in an attachment.

Attachment: 2002ado-glide.zip
This has been downloaded 5 time(s).

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ClumsyDoomer said:
I'm working on a 2002ado.wad TAS demo and stopped on E1M5 because I decided to test Memfis' idea of a void glide. Is any of these glides possible?



http://i.imgur.com/iYr2Yln.png
http://i.imgur.com/yVzGhJg.png

Yes. I did the rightmost one; i'm not aware of being able to void glide except in that precise configuration (90 degree angle, corner facing east). I did it -complevel 3 in normal play.

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kraflab said:
I'm not aware of being able to void glide except in that precise configuration (90 degree angle, corner facing east).
You're a bit out of date there. dew and myself spotted some additional possibilities a few years back. I used the idea later when I eventually found a map where it was useful.

And there is the brand new revelation that the adjoining wall can even be north-south (i.e. 135 degree angle). See this post (and earlier/later posts). Still not clear how much of a speed boost and/or obstruction is necessary for that to work.

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Grazza said:
You're a bit out of date there. dew and myself spotted some additional possibilities a few years back. I used the idea later when I eventually found a map where it was useful.

And there is the brand new revelation that the adjoining wall can even be north-south (i.e. 135 degree angle). See this post (and earlier/later posts). Still not clear how much of a speed boost and/or obstruction is necessary for that to work.



Ah interesting. I wish this kind of information was summarized and placed in some centralized location. Most of the common things are easy to get to but it seems like there are tons of things either hidden in various places or even undocumented altogether.

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I think you made the wrong glide because you were too high above that slime area. :D I was talking about sector 20.
Another map screenshot with comments
So, I've tried all of these glides and ALMOST succeeded on the fourth one (that corner between linedefs 207 and 208). Momentum went up to 28 and didn't want to increase anymore. With -turbo 255, momentum increases up to ~29 and drops to ~27.
As for others... I've never made a void glide before, so I don't know how they work. No one of the others worked for me, but it's too early to say that they're impossible.

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Wow, I completely misread your first image :P
I couldn't manage to slip into the void at any of those spots, although the switch seemed to really want to let me in.

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