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There's a lot to get through this week, so I'll dive straight in. Or at least I would if there weren't a need to write some more filler text here... This week there are several large and interesting single-map wads, a few slightly less exciting multi-map wads, and some rather imaginatively themed DM maps. To round this off we have a whole slew of weapon replacements and some quirky dehacked patches.
  • The Attraction to All Things Uncertain by Samuel 'Kaiser' Villarreal
    291kb - Boom-compatible port + Doom2 - SP - 1 map - (img) - (img)
    As usual, Kaiser does not disappoint - you can always download and play his maps safe in the knowledge that you will not be wasting your time. This large map looks good and presents a fierce challenge - from the start you will be running for your life, and will need to make good use of your resources. There is plenty of blood (not always obvious whether it is damaging), green marble and wood. Perhaps a little more ammo early on would make things more fun - as it is, you might want to get to know your way around the map (with -nomonsters) before tackling it with all the bad guys present. Even then, you might find yourself needing to take out a few demons with the non-berserk fist. Architecture is good - mostly on a grand scale, with many wide-open spaces (made dangerous by distant chaingunners and revenants), but there are no especially bare areas either. Kaiser clearly put a lot of work went into this map. I'll call it wad of the week.

  • Tremor: Part I - Genesis by Ross "zarkyb" Mathieson
    852kb - Zdoom + Doom2 - SP - 1 map - (img) - (img)
    Previously, zarkyb's output has been mostly restricted to joke maps, but here he has decided to show his real talent. This is an intense and large map that I imagine most Doomers will enjoy playing. The ammo supply is quite generous, and health is certainly adequate, even if you take a few risks here and there. The style throughout is tech-base, with a fair amount of nukage too. Each area looks good and has a distinctive feel to it. The battles are fierce, but with the right strategy they can all be handled in reasonable safety. The last big battle is a real BFG-fest, and I'd suggest giving some thought to when to pick up the invulnerability sphere. There is a bit of backtracking to be done here and there, but on the whole the gameplay flows well enough. Actually, having killed everything, collected all the keys and pressed all the switches I had seen, I couldn't get the walkway to the exit to rise. I'll give zarkyb the benefit of the doubt and assume I had missed a switch. Note: Although the textfile claims this map works with most Boom-compatible ports, as far as I can tell, it is in fact Zdoom-only due to some steps not raising - the first such case is the one to get out of the yellow-key area, and there's no way around that apart from cheating.

  • I.C.T.O.A.N. by Xaser
    983kb - Zdoom + Doom2 - SP - 1 map - (img)
    Wow, a normal wad from Xaser. It's quite nice design-wise (a convincing little spaceship), though the gameplay is a bit of a disappointment - very linear (even though you can still get lost due to the similarity of many of the passages) and not very challenging. The most obvious Zdoom features used are scripting, swimmable nukage and slopes. The early battles are quite one-sided, and in general there aren't many places where you should lose much health. You have plenty of time in the nukage to find the right way out. I thought the map was about to become really cool when the security alert sounded - I thought there lay ahead a battle in the dark against bigger enemies around those same passages we had previously been picking off the little guys. (Like in the mothership in Unreal.) But no. :( The final battle is straightforward. I guess I expected a little bit more from Xaser, whose imagination seems to go into overdrive when he is trying to annoy us. Overall though, it's definitely worth taking a look at this map, and I hope Xaser makes more non-joke wads.

  • Option - Denied by Pawel Zarczynski aka NMN
    168kb - Limit-extending port + Doom2 - SP - 2 maps - (img)
    Here are a couple of excellent little tech-styled maps from NMN. The second map is especially reminiscent of E1, but with bigger enemies and more of a challenge. They look great and have excellent balance, with just a bit more ammo than you need to get the job done. The only thing I can fault them for is their size - they feel like the opening areas of large (and very good) maps, so when we reach the exit after just a few minutes, we are left wanting more. That's better than wishing they had been shorter of course, and no reason to skip over them. These maps could well be interesting for demos and are certainly recommended.

  • Dreadful Change Upon us.... by Pawel Zarczynski aka NMN
    155kb - Limit-extending port + Ultimate Doom - 1 map - (img)
    Another good little map by NMN, but this one is rather different. It is extremely non-linear, with lots of little side-areas and passages. Apparently it is inspired by the original UDoom maps, but it felt like a more modern map to me - much "busier" design-wise. I think there should have been a bit more resistance offered if the player decides to run directly to the exit - both UV Pacifist and Nightmare can be done quite easily in under 30 seconds. The music is k-rad, and overall this map is definitely worth playing. Note that in some ports you can get stuck if you return to the starting area. You've no reason to return there though.

  • The Lost Gateway by hobomaster22
    277kb - Zdoom + Doom2 - SP - 1 map - (img)
    A rather large and challenging map. The design features a lot of detail - perhaps verging on overly fussy. Clean lines can look good too. Vines occur often throughout the map. The difficulty varies considerably. The encounter with the cyber is not at all simple, and comes after a relatively sedate start. I was very low on health by the time I reached the spider, but survived OK from there. Archies pop out at various points, but there are ways to handle them without too much pain. The final stages are something of a BFG-fest, but you'll need to watch your health. Zdoom features used include monster deaths triggering events and some swimmable water. Overall a fun map.

  • Mystical Paths by Mephisto
    653kb - Skulltag + Doom2 - SP - 15 maps - (img) - (img)
    Here we have 15 SP maps for Skulltag, mostly tiny, and some verging on trivial. It is intended as three episodes, and the stats screens are replaced with little bits of intermission text. The individual maps are not intended to be played from pistol starts (that's not to say they are impossible that way, but some of them would be extremely awkward or tedious - you'd need to use extreme ammo conservation on map05, for instance). Thus it is more like 3 large maps, each divided into five areas. There appears to be quite a bit of cut-and-paste, and the gameplay is a bit too repetitive. On the positive side, the maps seem to be free from serious errors (aside from some silly secret areas), but overall I can give it no more than a lukewarm recommendation.

  • E1M5: Reincarnated by Agent Spork
    373kb - Zdoom + Ultimate Doom - SP - 1 map - (img)
    This is a remake of E1M5 with added Zdoom features and effects. Agent Spork did a similar job on E1M3, and if you liked that, this one should appeal too. Compared to the original, there are quite a few little surprises and traps added in, but on the negative side, the map is now much more linear, with less choice about how to tackle each area. I doubt this map has a great deal of replay value. Still, it's nicely executed and it's certainly worth playing once or twice. You'll probably want to make a few savegames, since some of the traps are a bit unfair, and there are some stealth monsters too (boo! hiss!). I noticed one odd bug: if you press the switch after the yellow key door multiple times, the steps continue to lower, to the point where you can't escape from the pit thus created. There's no reason why you should do that of course, but it's still a bit of a flaw. Note: Despite what it says in the textfile, this wad doesn't require Skulltag - Zdoom is sufficient.

  • DarkSoul Levels Map1 by Jacob Kastner aka DarkSoul
    72kb - Zdoom + Doom2 - SP - 1 map - (img)
    This map has rather an old-fashioned feel to it. There is little variety in texturing or design, and it contains both a computer room and a crate room. There are some nice touches, such as the bent railing (or whatever it is) near the exit, but on the whole it is all quite routine, both in looks and gameplay. As far as I can tell, this map is Zdoom-only for one single reason: the red-key door doesn't work otherwise. I wonder why that is.

  • Complex by Nick Johnson
    42kb - Zdoom + Doom2 - SP - 1 map - (img)
    A dark and slightly drab base awaits you here. The design and texturing are rather poor - that starting area (see screenshot) looks particularly bad, but in many areas there appears to have been little thought put into choosing appropriate textures. Maybe it's just as well that much of the map is dark. Some areas look OK though. The gameplay is quite routine, so there isn't a great deal to recommend this map. Once more, this wad does not appear to have a good reason to be Zdoom-only; instead, it's due to some sort of error. Near the end of the map, there is supposed to be a crushing ceiling, but it only works right in Zdoom. In some ports it doesn't function; in others, the whole map becomes a crushing ceiling at that point. Messy.

  • ROBOTO by ggg The Triple-G Man
    323kb - Doom2.exe - SP - 9 maps - (img) - (img)
    I never quite know what to say when someone has clearly put a lot of time and effort into a wad, but the results are poor and I am therefore unable to recommend it. Firstly, someone should have told ggg some time early in his mapping career that people don't like mazes. This wad is chock full of them. Most maps contain some sort of maze; a few feature little else (the first map has a different type of annoying gimmick, but I won't ruin the surprise). In these mazes, every so often we gun down some very weak enemies. That's not to say these maps are easy though. Far from it. The extreme lack of health makes it very easy to die, but this hardly adds to the fun, since every monster encounter needs to be approached with a view to losing no health at all. Occasionally there is a good piece of action, and the later maps are relatively more fun - and would be very rough to get through without using a savegame or two. Note for Legacy users: on map11, if you teleport into a tiny dark room, there is no way out - that room is intended to contain a voodoo doll, and to be simply a means of killing the player.

  • FearDM by Spunkman
    5,448kb - Skulltag + Doom2 - DM - 5 maps - (img) - (img)
    Here's something a little different: five deathmatch maps, each themed around a phobia. By far the most striking is the first one, "Coimetrophobia - Fear of Cemeteries", probably because a cemetery is a more visual concept than some of the other fears listed. Fortunately, triskaidekaphobia isn't included, as that might have looked a bit cheesy. Anyway, all these maps are attractive and ought to provide a fun deathmatch - not so much for the layouts (which are mostly straightforward) but due to the atmosphere created. The cemetery is complete with a mausoleum, ambient sounds, and a hand of an undead corpse reaching up from the ground. You may also recognize some of the names on the tombstones.

  • Dream Deathmatch by Spunkman
    4,286kb - Skulltag + Doom2 - DM - 5 maps - (img) - (img)
    This is the follow-up to Dream Duel, and is a good set of five attractive medium-sized DM maps. Some of the maps are surreal, while others are more like real places. There are ambient sounds and well-chosen music to accompany. Nice work.

  • Terminator Series: Rocket Arenas by Robert "Zalewa" Zalewski
    271kb - Limit-extending port + Doom2 - DM - 10 maps - (img)
    Delivers what it promises: ten small and symmetrical DM maps with a plentiful supply of rockets and rocket launchers. The design isn't complex, but displays no glaring errors.

  • STWDM01.WAD by Johnathan 'SirTimberWolf' Enright
    43kb - Zdoom + Doom2 - DM - 1 map - (img)
    A fairly small map offering standard DM play, with RL, SSG and chaingun as the main weapons. It is Zdoom-only, but doesn't appear to use any Zdoom features. The architecture is quite nice in places - the pillars look good, and the ceiling is attractively done.

  • 99 WEAPONS FOR DOOM by Daniel
    6,618kb - port with dehacked support - 11 sets of weapon replacements - no maps - (img) - (img)
    Daniel has already uploaded several sets of weapon replacements. This appears to be the motherload. Quite a few of these weapons duplicate ones seen in previous releases. He doesn't make it very clear which of them he has created from scratch and which are by other people. If you're interested in weapon replacements, you'll definitely want to take a look at this. Most of the sets of weapons are sensible: guns, energy weapons, grenades, etc., and many of them are highly innovative. A few are rather quirky, such as the imp weapon set, where you are playing as an imp, with appropriate sound effects too. There's also a set of weapons from the Doom alpha, and a set of very powerful hitscan weapons, etc.

  • 1337 Guns by Xaser
    163kb - Zdoom - weapon replacement - no maps - (img)
    This is a bunch of underpowered weapon replacements. It's intended for Zdoom, but works to a greater or lesser degree in other ports. The weapons look sensible (so perhaps could be reused in a better way), but in terms of their functionality, they have little more than novelty value. Maybe they're OK for maps with a relatively unthreatening monster population. One odd thing: monster infighting occurs easily between monsters of the same type (imp vs imp, etc.). I don't know if this is to compensate for the weapons' lack of power or if it is accidental. There is no mention of it in the textfile.

  • 0verp0wer Weap0ns by Xaser
    324kb - Zdoom - weapon replacement - no maps - (img)
    Xaser says that this set of seriously powerful weapons was inspired by his experience playing "TNT: the Lost Episode", and he has a point: playing it with this set of weapons might well make it more enjoyable. Overall, the weapons are not stupidly powerful, but clearly shouldn't be used in maps that are well-balanced for the standard weapons. Also, the extra infighting (as with 1337 Guns) is present here too.

  • Grenades N' Stuff by Xaser
    630kb - Zdoom - weapon replacement - no maps - (img)
    From the name I expected this to feature mostly grenade-type weapons, but in fact it is mostly "Stuff". Interesting stuff though. The BFG replacement has some very spiffy graphics, and some of the other weapons do some severe damage too. Apparently, this is "the world's first weapon replacement which has more than the standard 9 weapons and works with ANY level", by virtue of the enemies dropping weapons from other games that Zdoom supports. So, you saw it here first, or something. Note that the enemies' weapons are changed significantly by this wad too, so if you're really lucky, some maps might stay vaguely balanced.

  • Doom 3 sound replacement by Quast
    7,089kb - Zdoom - sound replacement - no maps
    As the name says, it's a sound replacement based on the sounds from Doom3. I can't judge how faithful a conversion has been done, but some sound good, while others are a bit weedy. As for the monsters, I imagine some of them sound better in their proper environment.

  • CleanWAD V1.50 by Serge Smirnov/Martin Howe
    277kb - wad tool - no maps
    A new version of this wad tool. The new features are described in the textfile, so I won't repeat them here, but they include features relevant to Zdoom, Boom-compatibles, Hexen, Heretic and Strife. There is also some impressive legalese in the textfile, which I especially enjoyed.

  • MoD's fun weird dehacked patch thingy by MasterOFDeath
    4kb - dehacked patch - no maps
    One of those rare cases where the accompanying textfile is larger than the zip. It is a dehacked patch that basically just pisses about with the weapons and some of the monsters. The rocket launcher becomes quite a powerful weapon - in fact, once you've got that weapon and a couple of rockets, you don't need much else. It's OK for a few laughs, but you won't be missing much if you don't bother downloading it. I suppose it might be kind of fun to see how quickly you can do Map07 or E2M8 with this patch.

  • Dissolving Bodies by Abbs
    3kb - dehacked patches - no maps
    Dehacked patches are like buses, yadda yadda yadda. This one makes corpses dissolve. Well, OK. If that's important to you, then go for it. I'm not entirely sure what the point of this is, but note that it has serious gameplay implications when arch-viles are about.

  • crappything by MasterOFDeath
    143kb - Zdoom + Doom2 - SP - 1 map
    Deliberately bad, unfunny map.



    Re-releases
    The re-releases this week are brought to you by the letters V and W and the number 9.

  • Exit to Hell by Val Galloway
    78kb - Doom2.exe - SP - 1 map - (img)
    This action-packed map pulls no punches. From start to finish you are in dangerous situations - there's an archie and revenants to face down with just your (super)boomstick, and by the time you get the bigger weapons, you'll be running quite a gauntlet, and have to deal with a couple of pesky cybers. Design is competent but unelaborate; there is a lack of consistent themes, but no real clashes. A nice adventure.

  • The Waterworks by Michael Morrison
    58kb - Doom2.exe - SP - 1 map - (img)
    Masses of health and an adequate supply of ammo make this fairly large map a fun romp rather than a major challenge. It stays true to its theme for the most part - there is a lot of water flowing around the map.

  • WAYBAC2.WAD for DOOM ][ by Bruce A. Chastain
    47kb - Doom2.exe - SP - 1 map - (img)
    This linear medium-sized map is quite a struggle until you know your way around it. If you can't get out of the starting area, the screenshot provides a clue.

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FP!

Biggest newstuff in a while.

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SP! lots of good maps! they'll keep me busy for some time!

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Lot's of maps for this fine lovely Sunday morni.... cough afternoon.

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Yay! Well, I desperately need a wad of some sort to play, so I'd better find a good one. Kaiser_12 looks promising... :P

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Whoa! After the release of DooM 3 I expected to have something like "everyone was busy playing D3, so there is no new stuff this week."
But now we have a nice lot of good stuff!
Thanks!

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Well, I'm back!
Some people is not visiting this site for a big time... Doom 3 is taking a lot of time, eh?
Lots of good maps, not enough time to play all of them. I would play it with some of the weapons here... and feeling like an Imp!

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Yay, another wad from Kaiser!

Sorry about crappything, I have no idea why I even uploaded that. Don't worry, I promise I will make it up to you. I should have something in next week that is worth downloading.

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mmm this doom3 sounds is a keeper, should have fun with it. And as always, MORE WEAPONS TO PLAY WITH WHEE! :D

I must say what a good job Spunkman has done on the feardm levels. Good job. ;)

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I expect a pretty damn convincing explanation from Xaser on how it comes that he have graphics from MY WADS in his weapon replacements.

It's clearly stated in the txt file to Nimrod :

Authors May Absolutely NOT use this add-ons stuff to their own projects.
If you do we will do something about it. And it won't be pleasant.


And while we're at it I guess I can ask if he don't think it'd be in place to atleast credit all the people from whom he ripped all those graphics.

Xaser: You didn't only ripp it w/o permission you didn't even have the decency to credit ANYONE from whom you took graphics.

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What graphics were those?

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I presume the weapon shown in the screenshot for "0verp0wer Weap0ns" is from Nimrod. I thought it looked familiar...

Ebola: I suggest you report the problem to Ty.

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First I'll see if I can make Xaser do it himself.

Xaser: I don't care how you do it. But that wad is going off the internet. weather you mail Ty and get him to remove it or if you actually do something yourself and make graphics for your own guns for a change and upload a replacement wad. Either way. My graphics are not going to be in your retarded weapons mod.

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Yay good stuff this week.
Seeing tremor makes me wonder what a megawad done by Zarkyb and Fredrik would be like.

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Holy crap! Tons of awesome maps! Here's my take on the ones I downloaded/played ..

dreadful.wad : Wayyyyyyy too easy. 55 monsters in the entire map. The architecture and detail is great, but the teeny enemy count makes this one a snooze. Also, old NES music MIDIs tends to not work that well in Doom :P

dslvl1.wad : A short but challenging map. Nice use of cramped areas, and very tight on health. Beat it without dying, although I was down to 32 health at one point :p

gate.wad : Hobomaster r0x0rz my b0x0rz with this map :P Awesome architecture and layout as usual. I got through it without dying, some parts were tricky though. Nothing totally unfair, except for maybe one trap. The music selection could be a bit better though.

odenied.wad : 2 decent tech-base maps. Pretty easy for most of it but still a fun blast-fest. Good use of lighting sectors throughout.

sp_e1m5r.wad : I was looking forward to this one. Overall I'd have to say the E1M3 remake is better. While this one is good, a few fatal flaws make it pretty unenjoyable. The Stealth Hell Knights that you can't even see and awake when you bump into them will kick your ass, and it's totally unfair. I was doing fine until that. I didn't hear any music either, which made it pretty boring. Other than that it's good.

tremor.wad : A good tech map with a ton of monsters. 833 of them. Yikes! Even for the size of this map, it's got piles of monsters. Some of the traps are a little unfair though, and there's a general lack of health in some areas. Tons of ammo, though. I never found myself running low. While there are some huge battles with tons of monsters, they're generally boring 'shoot big weapon down a corridor and watch them all die while they fight eachother' deals. The architecture looks nice but is mostly just square, flat rooms. Overall I think this could've been better with more careful planning.

kaiser_12.wad : This is a very difficult map. Your ammo/health is very tight, even towards the end. It's possible to get maxkills but don't expect to kill everything on your first encounter. There are a few bullshit traps here (teleporting behind 2 chaingunners and being torn to ribbons isn't my idea of fair), but overall it's very playable. It suffers a bit from 'hit the switch and see what's changed somewhere else in the map' syndrome, as well. The architecture is great, with alot of variety and open-ended areas. The way it all connects is very cool. Overall reccomended if you want a challenge.

val999.wad : A pretty noob map. Needs alot more detail, and less 64x64 maze hallways. Also the beginning with the arch-vile out in the open is kindof annoying :p

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Agent Spork's e1m5 wins this week for me

Genesis was totally awesome as well

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Ebola said:
I expect a pretty damn convincing explanation from Xaser on how it comes that he have graphics from MY WADS in his weapon replacements.

It's clearly stated in the txt file to Nimrod :

Authors May Absolutely NOT use this add-ons stuff to their own projects.
If you do we will do something about it. And it won't be pleasant.


And while we're at it I guess I can ask if he don't think it'd be in place to atleast credit all the people from whom he ripped all those graphics.

Xaser: You didn't only ripp it w/o permission you didn't even have the decency to credit ANYONE from whom you took graphics.




Ebola said:
First I'll see if I can make Xaser do it himself.

Xaser: I don't care how you do it. But that wad is going off the internet. weather you mail Ty and get him to remove it or if you actually do something yourself and make graphics for your own guns for a change and upload a replacement wad. Either way. My graphics are not going to be in your retarded weapons mod.



What the FUCK? That pretty much came out of nowhere. Well, then, I guess I'm gonna have to find some other kind of graphics for it, since you seem to hate it that much. Fine, then. Sorry that I missed the line in the Textfile stating that I couldn't rip anything, but do you have to be so damn rude about it? I'll go ahead and make an update of 0verp0wer weapons with changed graphics and such. However, next time someone does something you don't like, please explain it in a much nicer manner. The only point of flaming someone like that is to get people pissed at you, and only a fucking idiot would want negative attention like that. Now I know that you wouldn't want people to hate you and crap, so please be a bit more calm. So anyway, yes I'll change the graphics, but next time you talk to someone, be a bit nicer so people will take you seriously and such.

And why'd you have to make Nimrod for Legacy, anyway? I hate it that such a good wad is spoiled by such a shitty port.

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Tremor is quality.

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And why'd you have to make Nimrod for Legacy, anyway? I hate it that such a good wad is spoiled by such a shitty port.


You moan about Ebola being rude, then you make a comment like that. Clever. And unnecessary.

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Planky said:


You moan about Ebola being rude, then you make a comment like that. Clever. And unnecessary.



But he wasn't lying, Legacy is a piece of crap.

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Xaser: WTH do you expect? It's not like I hid the copyright text. It was where it always is, at the bottom of the txt. Even if it weren't it's only good manner to ASK for PERMISSION first. And even if I had let you use it if you asked. I would've been pretty pissed that you didn't credit your sources.

What is it with people not missing an opportunity to tell me how much they hate Legacy. I don't care.

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heh.

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Xaser said:
(paraphrased: embarrassed mumble)


You totally fail it Xaser. And legacy sure beats xaserdoom port.

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Ebola said:
Xaser: WTH do you expect? It's not like I hid the copyright text. It was where it always is, at the bottom of the txt. Even if it weren't it's only good manner to ASK for PERMISSION first. And even if I had let you use it if you asked. I would've been pretty pissed that you didn't credit your sources.


Well, sorry then. I admit that I'm one of those bastards who rips stuff all the time, but if it offends someone or makes them angry or whatever, I'll remove it. Anyway, I've found some other graphics, so I'll release a second version of 0verp0wer Weap0ns to replace the Nimrod graphics and everything.


Jon said:


You totally fail it Xaser. And legacy sure beats xaserdoom port.



Xaserdoom? Where the hell did you pull that one from? Heh. I wish I new a little bit of programming so maybe I could make a port of my own. But then again, I can't think of anything to add anyway, so there's another reason why Xaserdoom doesn't exist. :P



So anyway, my point is, I'm sorry, I screwed up, I'm fixing the problem, and I'm not gonna do it again. Now let's put this all aside and start talking about /newstuff again.

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Legacy is only as good as the maps that are made for it, and the developers for getting the coke out of their ass.

Nimrod makes legacy worth getting, if only for Nimrod only.

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ravage said:
Nimrod makes legacy worth getting, if only for Nimrod only.


Very True. That's the only thing I use Legacy for aside from splitscreen 2-player (which still has some major bugs).

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i don't even have legacy on my harddrive. i downloaded it once, got annoyed with it's constant crashes for no reason at all, and deleted it. i just use zdoom or some other port (not legacy tho) whenever i play doom

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Ebola's gonna have a heart attack or something. god! it's just a wad!

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I only use Legacy for its splitscreen and its opengl. It is one of the few opengl PROGRAMS that even runs on my lower end machine. But, like Xaser said, the splitscreen is really buggy, and the opengl renderer looks like crap, especially on the normal doom and doom2 levels. Legacy is a crappy n00b port that we could easlily live without. Hell, if there were a button to make legacy go away, I would push it the second it spawned. LEGACY MUST DIE!

Ebola: So what if Xaser ripped a sprite or 2?! At least he didn't rip every single sprite you ever made, rape them with mspaint, and call them his! I would love it if people used my sprites! That usually means that the person who ripped them likes them enough to use it! So stfu and get over it!

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You don't have any right to use other people's stuff unless they give their permission. And when they have specifically said that it may not be used, that must be respected. It's as simple as that.

Now please stop flaming each other about this. It's sorted.

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