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AgentSpork returns for another /newstuff in what may or may not be a spectacular week for new (or possibly old) Doom WADs. What this week holds for us is a mixture of some good, some bad, and some absolutely spectacular maps. With that, let us begin.
  • Horror in the Caribbean Sea - Aluqah
    doom2.exe - Solo Play - 103 KB - (img)
    In our first map, we find ourselves thrown onto an island in the middle of the Caribbean Sea (or something like that), which basically means a lot of outdoor action. The level is not the most spectacular thing I've ever seen, but it certainly doesn't look TOO bad. Gameplay can be a bit slow in some of the more open areas, but overall it's a decent map to play. Some new music would have been nice, though.

  • Death in C sharp - Vasek "Damned" Havranek
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    Continuing on, our next destination is a small tech map by Vasek Havranek. The map has a fairly good level of detail, with a little bit of overdose on the copy/paste in some places (although I'm not really one to complain). Moderate difficulty as well as decent monster and item placement make it a pretty entertaining map as well. The music included with the map almost gave me a headache, however.

  • DM BRIDGE - Paul Corfiatis
    ZDoom - Deathmatch - 19 KB - (img)
    Now, I am quite fond of Paul Corfiatis' Single Player maps. However, I can't say I've ever played a deathmatch map by him until now. DM Bridge is a relatively small deathmatch level with two bridges hanging obove the main area of the level. The map looks quite good, although I'm not too fond of the texture used on the floating bridges (STEPTOP is just an ugly texture to begin with). The gameplay side of things, however, is questionable. The weapon placement seems a bit random, and I didn't really need to use the bridges at all during testing.

  • Deleted Scene (Hexen Edition) - Russell Pearson
    Hexen Support - Solo Play - 211 KB - (img) (img) (img)
    Russell Pearson strikes yet again with the release of Deleted Scene for Hexen. I'm no fan of Hexen by far, but I found this map to be well worth my time. The map looks astonishing, as all of his maps do, making use of Hexen's textures as well as some from Doom as well. You'd be surprised at how well it works, if you just use the right textures. Unlike Hexen itself, I actually found this map to be very fun. Overall a very good map, and runner up for WAD of the week.

  • Fortress - Jonathan Tourtellot
    doom.exe - Solo Play - 116 KB - (img)
    Moving right along, we venture from the awesome to the not so awesome. Fortress is a map by Jonathan Tourtellot for Doom 2. Right from the start I knew I was going to be in for a ride, as it would seem that you get all of your munitions for the entire level right at the beginning. That right there pretty much kills everything, as there's no longer any progression in terms of ammunition and weaponry. The map in general looks very mediocre, and the gameplay isn't too hot either, considering the aforementioned issue with the weapons.

  • Holy Hell - JK
    Limit Removing - Solo Play - 2651 KB - (img) (img)
    The "Most Suitable Name for a WAD" award goes to Holy Hell for actually triggering me to say those two very words not even 15 seconds into the level. Right from the start things are crazy. You find yourself teleported into a large arena-like area, and there's a couple of chaingunners standing there. You shoot the chaingunners, only the find that a million and a half (note: rough estimate) zombies pop up out of nowhere and rape you right on the spot. If you somehow manage to survive that, there's a switch in the center of the arena which lowers two tall walls on either side of the arena. Behind one of the walls is a rather large group of spectres, with the other side being packed with hundreds upon hundreds of friendly revenants. I didn't make it past that, but uh.. Holy hell.

  • The Last Fortress of Hell - Aluqah
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    Another map from Aluqah, this one is a fortress-type map. The map looks pretty good, although it could use a bit more texture variation, as it uses marble brick throughout most of the map. The gameplay side of things was good as well, nothing really to complain about here.

  • Mad Lab - DomRem
    doom.exe - Solo Play - 86 KB - (img) (img)
    Madlab is a semi-large tech map inspired by Doom's second episode. It may not be oozing detail all over the place, but that is not to say it doesn't look good. It does a pretty good job of fitting in with the other maps in Episode 2. The map also has some good gameplay to boot. It's not too difficult, but does have some rather challenging bits here and there.

  • Marine Pack - Various
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    It's.. a set of DECORATE marines for ZDoom. Can't really think of much else to say about this.

  • Horror in the North Sea - Aluqah
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    Here we have yet another map from Aluqah, this one being a large islandish level. The detail in this level shows definite improvement over the last two maps of his I've reviewed. It makes light use of ZDoom's features, with there being some slopes and colored lighting here and there, although quite frankly the colored lighting just makes things look worse. Other than that, I really can't think of anything to complain about; it's overall a good map.

  • Null Space Junior - Russell Pearson
    Limit Removing - Solo Play - 401 KB - (img)
    If you've played the 1024 project headed by Lutrov71, you may have seen this map before. Null Space Junior is a map built within a 1024x1024 area. It makes use of some heavily modified Heretic/HeXen textures, and it does it in an absolutely stunning way. The untrained eye could be fooled into believing that this map makes use of slopes as in ZDoom, while in fact it it doesn't at all. So, the map is obviously beautiful, but how does the gameplay stand up? While it can be pretty damn difficult, I'd say it plays just as wonderfully as it looks.

  • Sarin - Hobbs
    Boom Compatible - Solo Play - 68 KB - (img) (img)
    Sarin is a moderately sized marble map, and Hobbs' first release. Detail-wise it looks pretty good; good texture usage, good architecture, just good overall. The map has some tough spots, and Hobbs obviously likes his traps (sounds like someone I know), but it was a fun map through and through.

  • Sky Temple - Wills Hines
    doom2.exe - Solo Play - 41 KB - (img) (img)
    Sky temple is a map floating in the middle of a void, much like the previously reviewed Null Space Junior. It has a moderate level of detail, and definitely looks good, although it could have used a better sky texture, as it obviously doesn't tile in the outside areas with the void. Gameplay is challenging, with good monster and item placement overall.

  • Surreily's first upload - Surreily
    ZDoom Compatible - Solo Play - 115 KB - (img)
    Although this may be Surreily's first upload, it's obvious he has quite a bit of mapping experience. The map has quite a bit of detail, and makes good use of Nick Baker's various texture packs, although the map is a bit symmetrical in places. The map is short, and not very difficult, but overall it's a fairly decent map.

  • The escape from planet Telex - Aluqah
    ZDoom - Solo Play - 93 KB - (img)
    Yet another level from Aluqah, who apparently decided to upload his entire timeline of levels this week. This map is a wide open city map crawling to the brim with zombies. The action is fast paced, with the catch being that the only ammo you get is from the enemies that drop weapons. My only complaint with this map is that it uses a few SS Nazis here and there (a big no-no in my book).

  • lacrimosa's INFERNO - Aluqah
    ZDoom - Solo Play - 535 KB - (img) (img)
    Aluqah is on a roll here. This particular map of his is a large city map, with lots of tall buildings and whatnot. It has a moderate level of detail, although the rooftop areas tend to be a bit more detailed than the stuff around it. I can't really say I'm very fond of city maps, though, and the gameplay was mediocre.

  • Phobia - The Age - Kristus
    Legacy - Solo Play - 35132 KB - (img) (img) (img) (img) (img)
    Well, I've decided to save the absolute best for last. Phobia - The Age is the successor to the original Phobia by Kristus, a WAD for Doom Legacy. Now, I may not be all too fond with Legacy these days, but this is absolutely amazing. This new incarnation of Phobia has 8 levels total, each of which has amazing visuals and great gameplay. In addition, there's a totally new soundtrack, written by Marc A. Pullen (aka Fanatic), a person whose music I am quite fond of.

    The gameplay of this wad is split into three types, which you can choose upon starting the game: Chaos, War, and Myst. Chaos is typical to normal doom wads, with fast pased action and plentiful amounts of ammo. War also has fast paced action, but does things a bit differently. Your ammo reserve is much more limited, so you have to be much more careful about your actions, and it makes the player feel like one puny little being against the entire legion of hell. Myst is also interesting in that while, for the most part, there aren't any monsters, it still finds ways to keep things interesting. It's also good if you want to explore the levels without enemies getting in the way.

    Phobia - The Age is easily one of the best wads I've played in the last couple of years. Even if you absolutely despise Legacy, I'd download it (don't even try to run it in GZDOOM) just to play this WAD. It doesn't get much better than this.

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FP AGAIN!!

Phobia looks awesome /me go plays
but man, would this be better if it didnt REQUIRE legacy :(

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Deleted Scene was a whole lot easier in Hexen than in Doom. I barely took any damage at all.

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Holy crap, Phobia looks amazing! Must play...

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OMG Phobia. I'll get legacy to play this.

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Phobia is exceedingly cool, I just got killed by Pandora's Box, heh.

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i remember the original phobia.

looks good. i'll go snag legacy for this. i haven't made a serious effort to play doom in months (been waiting for major projects to release.)

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Damn, my wad didn't get in this week. :\

Well theres awlays next week

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No, sorry, this was the last week for Newstuff. Didn't anyone tell you?

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iori said:
No, sorry, this was the last week for Newstuff.
True enough; from next week on there will be only old stuff, and all the new stuff will be deleted (like the scene.)

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Phobia - The Age is incredible. It's unfortunate it relies on Doom Legacy, last updated in 2004. I can't even run it in OpenGL mode without massive slowdown. And it doesn't even look half as good in software mode.

Oh well .. maybe this will inspire the Legacy developers to get off their ass and update it!

HolyHell takes "LOL slaughter" maps to a whole new level of insanity. The level design, if you remove the 3000+ monsters, isn't really that great. On the other hand, it's close to playable on Skill 1.

I have to admit loading it up with one of those ridiculously overpowered weapon mods and god mode is pretty fun for awhile.

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It's unfortunate it relies on Doom Legacy, last updated in 2004. I can't even run it in OpenGL mode without massive slowdown. And it doesn't even look half as good in software mode.

Oh well .. maybe this will inspire the Legacy developers to get off their ass and update it!


It is being updated, the last CVS commit was just 3 weeks ago. There were even a few unofficial alphas to test out the new OpenGL renderer back in late February/early March.

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DooMAD said:

It is being updated, the last CVS commit was just 3 weeks ago.




It is being developed. But that's not synonymous with being updated. For that it'd need an official release that replaces 1.42.

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I looked at the Phobia screenies. Holy shit, that is amazing!

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dammit. the .cmd wouldn't run at all, and when i tried it in the launcher it crashed when i selected my difficulty.

now i remember why i hate legacy.

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The .cmd is written so that it needs Legacy and Doom2.wad in the same directory as Phobia. If the Cmd for some reason just doesn't work to run.

Make a shortcut using the same command line that is in the CMD or as explained in the TXT. And the launcher is crap.

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Phobia - The Age is extremely visually impressive, and the level design seems fairly balanced as well, for as far as I could get in it. However, I'm stuck on map 1. After I kill the Cybie, I pick up that little artifact thing and it says something about twins of protection rising in the south... but I see no change anywhere in the map. Perhaps there's a script which isn't working for some reason? I'd be extremely disappointed if this were the case; I was looking forward to playing through this level set.

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Go to that room the the far south (near where you started), up over the alter where you picked up the book, and go to the center of that weird outdoor black room, and jump over the center alter.

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Wait, why is the textfile for Sarin messed up like that? O_O

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the problem is they are ALL in the same directory. however, it just refuses to do anything.

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For you people that think Phobia is running way to slow for you. Try with turning off some visual effects. Such as sprite translucensy, corona's, dynamic lighting etc.

Some could try it in Software mode. While it do run faster for me in software mode (however this speed increase could probably be gained by simply turning off lighting effects in openGL mode), I find it less stable. But I have one friend that experienced it as more stable in Software mode. So, it's different for different people I guess. Just a few tips.

Although, it looks not nearly as pretty in Software mode, and since I made it only using OpenGL mode. It's quite dark too. Just FYI.

Dethtoll: So, make a shortcut for it then.

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I believe Holy Hell, if anything, is an amusing sendup of Deus Vult.
  • titlescreen is a digitised religious painting, DV has similar things as wall textures
  • excessively large map with "high system requirements" split into pieces to run on lower end machines (although here it's 20000 monsters not 35000 or however many sidedefs)
  • similar design of monster teleporter, single large holding pen with many teleporter lines at the front, the foremost one of which returns monsters to the back of the holding pen
It was fun to run around with god mode and suprwep8.deh, just to see what insanely large trap was going to go off next.

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Phobia's great. A gzdoom port would be nice for framerate.

(btw, the first room in the levelset lags like hell on my amd 64 3700+ with nvidia 6800 gt).

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Holy Hell appears to be by GGG (compare the text-file with his).

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BlackFish said:
Phobia's great. A gzdoom port would be nice for framerate.
Ever the professional, Graf is working on that one...
http://forum.drdteam.org/viewtopic....e99d9ad35813f4b

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Not yet... ;)

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No, it doesn't work. It uses some crazy workarounds for Legacy's limitations that aren't supported. I think I can get some of it to work as intended but I can tell you right now that this project will never work properly without an additional MAPINFO lump due to some abuse of music for other purposes.


There's 1 crazy workaround, and it doesn't involve music. I used the runcommand(); to change the maps because it gave me more freedom on how the maps moved from one and the other. And yeah, you would either need a mapinfo lump for that, or you could simply allow the script to change map using the consol command. But that's up to you. Personally I don't care.


Phobia won't work even with Legacy in software mode because it is far too slow.


Who told you that? You don't even try to run it because it might change the volume on your windows. It's actually the opposite. It runs faster than OpenGL mode. I haven't made any exact tests, but it runs noticeably faster in most cases (software compared to full blown OpenGL with all effects to on). But that's mostly because there's no coronas or light effects in Software, this is also part of the reason why it runs faster in GZdoom. Because those features aren't in there. You can turn them off in OpenGL mode if it's too slow on your machine. It'll help.


There is so much detail in there that GL is the only option.


Not so much the detail as all the things that are moving around. I used a lot of corona effects in the maps.


When I circumvent the issues that make it unplayable on GZDoom I get 45-55 fps in the most highly detailed areas with GZDoom.


If you turn off all visual effects like, translucensy, lighting and fog. you get a considerate increase in framerate in Legacy too.

If you fixed the teleport(); and added the "else" variable to the FraggleScript commands in your port, it would deal with the most immediate issues. You still wouldn't be able to change maps like it was intended, nor would you hear the voices and the music, aswell as a number of other visual things. But each map you warp to would work atleast somewhat.


I refuse to start Legacy for anything on my computer. I don't care how good it is but Legacy has the bad habit of screwing around with settings it is not supposed to touch (we have to thank that crap Allegro for that!)


Yeah, Legacy use the same volume control as is used in Windows. It sucks, but it's not the end of the world.

Blackfish: yes, that area is slow. But to me that didn't matter much, because there's no real gameplay to be had there. You're just supposed to walk through it. If you play Myst mode, you will eventually experience another place in the wad that is really slow. It is only in Myst mode just because of that reason. And once again I consider it a special case.

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kristus said:
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There's 1 crazy workaround, and it doesn't involve music. I used the runcommand(); to change the maps because it gave me more freedom on how the maps moved from one and the other. And yeah, you would either need a mapinfo lump for that, or you could simply allow the script to change map using the consol command. But that's up to you. Personally I don't care.



Emulating Legacy's 'MAP' command isn't really that hard. It took me 10 minutes to implement. The thing that probably requires a MAPINFO lump is the music. ZDoom doesn't prefix music names automatically so D_RUNNIN is D_RUNNIN but never O_RUNNIN and so on. This means that the map starts with Doom's music until the script changes it.





If you fixed the teleport(); and added the "else" variable to the FraggleScript commands in your port, it would deal with the most immediate issues. You still wouldn't be able to change maps like it was intended, nor would you hear the voices and the music, aswell as a number of other visual things. But each map you warp to would work atleast somewhat.



The teleport bug has been fixed (actually it was not the teleport itself but players weren't registered in FS's spawned things arrays) and I added the special 'else' handling. The music bug is fixed as well and I can hear the voices now. Now I have to check for other anomalies but for all those that are desperate to check this out I'll release a new version tomorrow. No guarantees that it's fully working though. ;)

BTW, this WAD is so dark, even on the brightest light mode that I'll probably have to add a console variable to boost the light level somewhat.

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RjY said:
I believe Holy Hell, if anything, is an amusing sendup of Deus Vult.


I also just noticed the author's name is "JK". Just Kidding?

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Phobia works nicely on my PC but then the only time I had a problem with legacy was when I installed zdoom in the same directory as it, maybe the folks who cant get it to work have zdoom in the same place as legacy.

The first room is really slow at the start but is ok when you return later, must just be legacy loading all the data for the coronas etc causing it to lag first time.

Like the original Phobia it is a work of art, I feel sorry for the small minded zdoom zealots who steadfastly refuse to use any legacy maps, there really is nothing else quite like this wad, its beautiful and awesome

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