Enjay
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Fusion said:
I totally agree with pretty much everything you said. However; it's pretty cold to say a map sucks when the author put a lot of time and effort into it.
And I agree with you. :) It is "pretty cold". However, people really shouldn't expect anything else, or get bent out of shape too much when it happens - if only for their own peace of mind. The internet can be a cold place and sometimes there is very little love in the chatrooom. :(
I have made supportive posts about deathz0r's reviews in the past. Not so much because of what he says but because he says it. I appreciate the fact that he, and other reviewers, give us their time and effort, sometimes on a pretty tight timescale (even with recent slippage), to get their reviews done and published to a not always appreciative audience. It's actually quite a commitment to get a whole week's worth of WADs played, screenshotted commented on and published.
If I was doing /newstuff reviews, my style would be quite different to deathz0r's. I think it unlikely that I would describe a map as "sucking" for starters ;). However, I don't do reviews, and have no real desire to. deathz0r does do the reviews and he does them in his style. A lot of people don't like his style and it's perfectly understandable why - it can be quite abrasive. If you are personally on the receiving end of that abrasion, I appreciate that it is even less pleasant and it is perfectly understandable when people complain. People have commented on deathz0r's style and it's up to him to act on those comments or not. Either way it is down to deathz0r to choose how to present his reviews in the newstuff column. If he doesn't modify his tone in the light of people's comments, then so be it. I wouldn't particularly expect him to. It's his choice. Just as I wouldn't expect Tormentor to modify his map after being told it sucks. In either case, if they feel they have done the best job they could, within given constraints and to the satisfaction of their own criteria, then that's all we can ask. If people do listen to criticism and then improve whatever they are doing as a result, then so much the better. But just responding to a comment because it was made, regardless of improvment - as judged by the criteria that are important to you - is not a good way to go.
However, this is an open thread and people are free to make comments and to give a counter argument. To me, the /newstuff review should be a starting point for discussion of the maps, not the end point. A map doesn't suck because deathz0r or anyone else says it does. If a person doesn't agree with the review (or if they agree for that matter), then they should post their own take on it. That way, the /newstuff thread builds into a series of "yays" or "nays" about a map and that is far more meaningful and informative than a single review IMO. Unfortunately, all too often, the comments about the maps get lost in the mass of arguments and counter arguments over the content of the reviews and we loose sight of the wood because of all those damn trees in the way. ;)
Fusion said:
Enjay, you've been here a long time. i've played your probably all your levels(more than once), i think they're great. I appreciate what you've contributed to the doom community. I think you deserve that.
As I said, no-one should expect or rely on appreciation, but that doesn't mean it isn't nice to be appreciated, so, I genuinely thank you for those comments. Thank you kindly. :)
Fusion said:
There's no reason why players shouldn't give proper appreciation where it's due. I've been mapping since 94, most of my levels have never been released. I love to map. I'm pretty much unknown to everyone, i'm not seeking justification for mapping. I will probably be playing doom 30 years from now. (probably in a druken stupor)
I agree. I think if someone enjoys a map that someone made, then you do owe them at least a thank-you. They spent their time putting together something that made your life a bit more fun if only for an hour or so. None of us are big multinationals doing this for billion dollar profits. We are all hobbyists providing entertainment for fellow hobbyists.
However, for some people, the appreciation you speak of is just not their style. If we were all nice to each other and always did the right thing, the world would probably be a better place (or it may be terminally sweet ;) ) but I'm not going to hold my breath waiting for it to happen. All I can do is conduct myself in a way that I see as appropriate.
Your approach to mapping seems similar to mine too. I map because it's fun. I've done quite a few things that I did just to amuse myself. Sometimes it's no more than a room, or an experiment, or a sprite modification or whatever. Sometimes what I do gets released - usually when I think and hope it is something others will enjoy but my real kick came from making it in the first place. So, I've maybe got less invested in the appreciation side of things but, as I said, it is always nice when someone tells you they liked your stuff. Heh, and I can also imagine myself playing Doom 30 years from now, also in a drunken stupor as I eye up the nurses in my retirement home. ;)
Oh and the modified version of my level has been cleared and put into /newstuff. Last time I checked, it was only on the main server and the Berlin one but I guess the other mirrors will update in due course. I have tried to minimise the impact of the effect of what I have done on slower computers, but it is likely this map - especially the modified version - could hit a slow computer hard so remember and check the text file for the section entitled "Computer speed" for tips on how to optimise gameplay to suit your computer's power.
ftp://ftp.fu-berlin.de/pc/msdos/gam...ff/njhthief.zip
And remember, it's for Heretic, not Doom. :)
Edited for coherence. :)
Last edited by Enjay on 05-20-06 at 17:44
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