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Fusion
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Did you try saving your game? it's really quite simple after the first try. It's not as complicated as it might seem. Wow this community is tough to please. Hell, it seems like people enjoyed mockery more, which is sad.

I get it, you think it sucks, do i care? No, i'm done with doom mapping, this was my last project.

Last edited by Fusion on 11-22-06 at 01:02

11-22-06 00:50 #

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Hobbs
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Mockery at least advertised it was crap.

And oh look what we have here, drama in /newstuff. Who would have thought that could ever happen?

11-22-06 04:31 #

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Fusion
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True enough. Drama mode off, discussion over.

11-22-06 06:56 #

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deathz0r
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I hope DomRem read #dmclub last night, else he's going to be wasting a good amount of time on stuff that we plan to review tomorrow.

11-22-06 07:26 #

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Lizardcommando
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Ok, I just played through Hellcore 2.0 and I must say that the maps were really cool. They look really nice and they are big. The problem is that most of these maps are way too empty. When you do see some bad guys, they either teleport in some other part of the level or they're all clumped together in some room. There's not alot of ammo and health too. It's a damn shame. Awesome maps, but boring and frustrating enemy encounters.

I really like the level design, but it was just too empty. There was a really huge city map (MAP02 if I remember correctly) that really could have benefit from a larger monstercount. I think that map had 69 enemies total. Only 69 enemies for such a huge level? That's not very fun. MAP09 lagged really bad for me, but that's probably since I'm using a piece of shit computer, so I'm probably alone on this.

I rate this 6/10. The only saving grace to this wad is the really nice mapping.

11-22-06 07:30 #

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Graf Zahl
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What I find really sad is that the mappers responsible are completely dismissing all the criticism of their WAD. So far I haven't found one single post that said the WAD played well.

AS for drama, shouldn't this be the place to discuss the qualities of the WADs being reviewed? Unlike other 'dramas' here the review of Hellcore, although negative, wasn't offensive. It's not about a bad review, it's about a WAD that had some serious shortcomings. In fact, I can't remember any WAD that had such a huge gap in quality between map design and gameplay design.

11-22-06 08:36 #

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Jodwin
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I, for one, liked Hellcore 2.0's gameplay exactly because it was different. Certainly it isn't even close to my favourite wads but it's good nevertheless. Granted, I do like running away from monsters when I don't have enough ammo to kill them, for me it adds to the experience to know that somewhere there's stuff after my arse and I better find some firepower before they find me. And the different pacing of action..well, it worked for me. 'nuff said.

11-22-06 08:39 #

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Darkfyre
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Graf Zahl said:
...the mappers responsible are completely dismissing all the criticism of their WAD.

How? Unless I went through and redid all the gameplay, there's nothing that can be done about it. Nor have I contradicted anything anyone has said, some people don't like it, fine, that's cool, I understand, just don't be a total fucktard about it. My god, I made a wad I liked, with hard gameplay and quiet gameplay that I like, and albeit there's not a very positive response in here it doesn't mean it doesn't exist, if it matters so much I'll post the good crits? Would that make it better? How can I UNDismiss the crits Graf? Grovel and apologize? Oh yes, you're right, I suck, sorry everybody? Confusing, I must say...

Fusion said:
True enough. Drama mode off, discussion over.

Guess this was ignored?

Last edited by Darkfyre on 11-22-06 at 09:19

11-22-06 09:10 #

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Graf Zahl
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Darkfyre said:

How? Unless I went through and redid all the gameplay, there's nothing that can be done about it. Nor have I contradicted anything anyone has said, some people don't like it, fine, that's cool, I understand, just don't be a total fucktard about it. My god, I made a wad I liked, with hard gameplay and quiet gameplay that I like, and albeit there's not a very positive response in here it doesn't mean it doesn't exist, if it matters so much I'll post the good crits? Would that make it better? How can I UNDismiss the crits Graf? Grovel and apologize? Oh yes, you're right, I suck, sorry everybody? Confusing, I must say...

Thanks for proving me right.

11-22-06 10:00 #

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Darkfyre
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Graf Zahl said:
Thanks for proving me right.

Anything I can do to better the DoomWorld community my friend.

11-22-06 10:07 #

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Trasher][
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Regarding Ninja Duel's review...

Also, the one problem with this isn't really a problem with the mod, but with Doom. About half the weapons are melee, and honestly, the marine moves too damn fast to be hit consistently with the melee attacks, which is a shame. If there is a way to slow down the player speed, that might have made it perfect.

This is possible, since this uses a custom player class to define the items you spawn with, it'd need just one or two extra DECORATE lines.

And yes, it kicks ass even though I was stuck playing against the, uh, inadequate Zdoom bots. I look forward to future updates and maps!

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myk
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RjY said in The Realm of anARCHy:
Like Equinox it has a whole self-suggesting plotline; here, a near-future Earth is being dragged into Hell. But I think the problem is that the designers were intent on perfecting the realism, then ended up adding the gameplay almost as an afterthought. This is exactly the wrong way round to do it - do the gameplay first, then realise and beautify it later.

Reminds me of a statement one of the authors made in a previous thread.

Darkfyre said:
My god, I made a wad I liked, with hard gameplay and quiet gameplay that I like, and albeit there's not a very positive response in here it doesn't mean it doesn't exist, if it matters so much I'll post the good crits? Would that make it better?

You failed at your commitment, because had you made a wad you liked you wouldn't even be posting here, at least not this way. You wouldn't feel the slightest need to reply to this criticism (that's what fans do, authors reply with wads, not posts), much less call people names here. At most you'd be honestly intrigued at what people may think about your wad, as opposed to having to answer defensively to the mass of it.

Darkfyre, your wad will live on as an example of what not to do if one wants to create a wad worth playing and replaying (as opposed to merely looking at the architecture), and your posting here will be remembered by authors (I'll take it as a possible hint myself) as an reminder of how to not get immersed in the popular conception of their work (as opposed to the work itself).

11-22-06 11:02 #

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Darkfyre
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Just because the majority of goons at DW don't like it, doesn't mean it's a model of what NOT to do, as not everyone despises it. Why do I have to talk about it if I made it for me? Well why do you guys hafta keep beating a dead horse with the same shit over and over? Am I not allowed to defend something I put time in to? Or explain why things are the way they are without being told I'm just an ass that can't accept things? I have just as much right to defend it as you do to bad mouth it. So take the "Discussion Over" seriously and just sit down. There's plenty other shit in the Newstuff to talk about, move on children.

11-22-06 12:04 #

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Graf Zahl
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Doom Rampage lives again...

11-22-06 12:13 #

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Fusion
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Last say lives on..

11-22-06 12:25 #

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myk
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Darkfyre said:
I not allowed to defend something I put time in to?

You aren't defending anything, heh.

I have just as much right to defend it as you do to bad mouth it.

The idea of reviews and review discussions is of a place where users pour their impressions about wads and addons they play as frankly and clearly as possible, interacting with other users, so that users, and why not the authors, may have a view of what people think about the wads. In cases where there is any criticism (as opposed to when everyone loves an addon), authors getting involved in the discussion of the criticism practically always help drive the threads into a mired argument, because they are 100% biased towards thier own creations. They have around 0% "objectivity" in regard to them, because they are their creators. Do you question positive feedback 10% as much as the negative one? What makes the positive stuff even reasonable? Why not tell the guys that give good but perhaps flimsy feedback stuff like "hey asskisser, I don't give a fuck what you think, I made the wad for myself and if you like it, good for you, what do I care? What you say you saw in the wad that's so good is not there, and you're probably crazy, I made it like this and it means that, instead".

Authors getting involved in the discussions tend to derail and muddle proper input, that isn't aimed necessarily to the author; for the most part it is for other users, the author stands beyond that. He can take the input or leave it, and doesn't have to worry about it because he's not there to try his own wad, nor is he selling the thing.

Because of all this, if you really want to (or need to) "explain" your wad in any way (it might make sense to a small degree though most keen artists let their work speak for itself) I'd suggest a more appropriate place, such as your blog, or a page dedicated to the wad itself.

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deathz0r
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myk said:
Authors getting involved in the discussions tend to derail and muddle proper input, that isn't aimed necessarily to the author;

UDM3 is the best DM WAD ever and anyone who thinks otherwise is wrong!

...Just had to do that.

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deathz0r said:
UDM3 is the best DM WAD ever and anyone who thinks otherwise is wrong!

I'm sorry, but WTFDM clearly beats UDM3 at everything.

11-22-06 13:00 #

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Darkfyre
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I pointed out something that was incorrect about the port in the review. Nothing wrong there. I explained why someone was ignored while testing. Willing to drop it there. I have not said in any way that I think it's the secks0rz and should be idolized by everyone here, nor have I made any attack that you guys are wrong in saying it sucks. I get it, like I've said before, I was just explaining why things are the way they are, I like it - you don't - that's cool. But people start directing the shiz towards the mappers and not the project (including manies), not to mention when I've said to just drop it numerous times. Here's another try.

Extreme1.wad is the best DM wad guys :p

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You both fail it, Nimrod is the best DM wad ever made. :O

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Darkfyre said:
I was just explaining why things are the way they are

An author's explanation of his work is shit as far as the work itself is concerned, because it's "an author's explanation", and not "the way things are". Not that sometimes it is not illustrative in some way, but not as an explanation or definition others can use per se if they want to appreciate the work themselves. That's why the best reviewers or critics first and foremost take to task observing the work itself (the true product to review), instead of looking up what the author thought he was doing (which at best is good as hints regarding the process of creation, like a useful annotation; maybe you can understand the author's mind in some way, but must then relate that to the work through additional thought, giving some more room for speculation over it, perhaps even confusion).

But people start directing the shiz towards the mappers and not the project

What's so personal here, aside from the local insult "dink", the loserly "goons", and the patronizing "childern"? The rest, while it may have mentioned the authors inquisitively ("we have these results with this input... how come, were they lazy or what?"), was about the wad in question directly, and its makeup as presented.

not to mention when I've said to just drop it numerous times. Here's another try.

Do you mean this out of personal embarrassment or do you actually have moderating powers here? In any case, if you reply to my posts, expect a 50% chance or so that I'll reply back, regardless of whether you think I should reply or not. Not surprisingly, your ability to decide what will be posted here is restricted to your own posts only.

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Darkfyre
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Nothing sums this up more than a simple <sigh> Yes Myk, you're totally right. There. Problem solved. The world continues revolving.

Anyways. Ninja Duel's the next best thing since Catch the Chicken :p

Last edited by Darkfyre on 11-22-06 at 14:50

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Darkfyre said:
goons at DW

Hey, he called us goons! Get em!

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Hey guys! Thanks for the kind reviews. I was admittedly very nervous releasing Ninja Duel, seeing as it's my first doom mod, but seeing the kind words has encouraged me to continue working on it.

As I see it, Ninja Duel is only about half finished. The original idea I had in mind involved several more complex DM maps to play on. Unfortunately, I discovered soon into the project that I had little aptitude for mapping - The Dojo is more or less a placeholder map, although I've since become fond of its simplistic arena and will probably include it in the final release.

As it stands, though, I can't progress any farther on my own. I'm looking for a mapper to help me construct at least one more level for the wad, and possibly more if they are willing. If you are interested, you can reach me on MSN or by e-mail, at Crash_jet@hotmail.com. Again, I really appreciate the kind words of everyone on this forum.

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Fusion
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Embarassed over an internet forum? I'm blushing.

In any case, i'm impressed with Myk's maturity in this matter, compared to some of the posts i've read.

Last edited by Fusion on 11-22-06 at 19:34

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Guys /newstuff is serious fucking business. Peoples opinion of your wad is everything. Doomworld is full of goons. Also the earth has one moon which is made of cheese.

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HobbsTiger1 said:
Also the earth has one moon which is made of chesse.

you seem very confident in that statement.

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Graf Zahl
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I'm just wondering what 'chesse' is... ;)

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Hobbs
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Fuck me I thought I fixed that. Owell its right now.

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Naan
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Why am I always disagreeing in some of the /newstuff reviews ?

I actually liked Hellcore 2 when I have understood that the maps are not intended to be done the UV-max-100%-kills way like most of maps out there.

Are tastes differences with most of people here are controversial enough to not being able to guest review @ /newstuff ?

Oh, and I'm still looking forward Heretic/Hexen newstuff...

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