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Bloodshedder said:
Ask SargeBaldy about this - he and some other people made a project with "revamped" SLIGE maps with a bunch of stuff added to them. It was rejected from the archives, so...

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Dittohead said:
Personally, I'm against having any computer generated maps what-so-ever in the archive. It defeats the purpose entirely. I don't care how much you rework it; if you like an area that Oblige has made, go recreate it in your own map. Problem solved.

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Chain Mail said:
That's kind of like saying prefabs or copy pasting are bad. Sometimes they are, but that's a matter of how they are used, but not necessarily that the technique is useless or should be disallowed completely. Or like saying elecrtonic music like "DJs" make isn't music. I mean, the opinion is valid and even sometimes expected, especially personally, but how much should that define what's possible or right in general?

Or even using someone else's map as a base starts off with a base you didn't do any work on...

You're also pretty much shitting on the tool and generalizing, prejudging a lot of possible work that could be quite woirthwhile (not you personally with your opinion, of course: I mean if one uses such a standard to judge these partly automated wads for the archive). Someone could use OBLIGE, SLIGE or a similar program to do something pretty interesting. I recall a 10 sectors entry by aardappel (sp?) using some script, forming a level made up of hexagons, which was worthwhile in its own way.

It seems to me that the spirit of Ty's ban on SLIGE stuff and whatnot is to keep piles of automated junk at bay, and not to stifle possibly interesting work that uses automating features or programs. It's also pretty much our responsibility to be on the lookout for such things and to tip him off about any exceptions or problems, because Ty can't be examining every wad that comes in personally.

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Dittohead said:
Fact is, you are basing your work off of someone else's. It's not original work and it shouldn't be allowed into the archives.

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Chain Mail said:
There's nothing against basing your work on an existing base as long as you have the author's permission. There's an entry in the TXT template for that, after all. My point is that wads using such a tool should be judged on a case by case basis. What you judge is the result and the work put into the upload, and both could be considerable and exceptional even starting from a random template or layout.

For example, someone could a speedmapping session where each participant generates a SLIGE or OBLIGE map, that is then modified. Then the maps could be judged by the admins of the competition and the good ones uploaded (the best ones or all the ones that qualify as creative).

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