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Bastet Furry
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SoM should release his betas with a big "Warning! Beta! Could eat your hamster/mom/wife/house/unvierse! Use with caution!"

But thats just my opinion.

03-07-07 08:52 #

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Graf Zahl
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Lüt said:
For people who care about how the game plays, it already has.

So, and those who prefer all the bugs and glitches in Doom to be fixed for a more consistent experience don't care?

Right...

Why is it always the defenders of the 'classic' gameplay that tend to state their personal preference as fact? But in the end it's just that: a personal preference.

(And now I'm just waiting for Hobbs to drop in and try to post something insulting like he futilely tries to do apparently every time I post something here... :P)

03-07-07 08:57 #

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Bastet Furry
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SoM should release his betas with a big "Warning! Beta! Could eat your hamster/mom/wife/house/unvierse! Use with caution!"

But thats just my opinion.

03-07-07 08:59 #

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Lüt
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Graf Zahl said:
So, and those who prefer all the bugs and glitches in Doom to be fixed for a more consistent experience don't care?

Right...

Why is it always the defenders of the 'classic' gameplay that tend to state their personal preference as fact? But in the end it's just that: a personal preference.

What bugs and glitches? I'm talking about physics, gameplay mechanics, basics that essentially play into demo compatibility, etc. not literal bugs and glitches.

03-07-07 09:53 #

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Graf Zahl
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Lüt said:
What bugs and glitches? I'm talking about physics, gameplay mechanics, basics that essentially play into demo compatibility, etc. not literal bugs and glitches.

Yes, all the stuff in the physics code that plays into demo compatibility. Such things as, for example:

- incomplete blockmap links for things in the map.
- missing checks for collisions with blocking two-sided walls.
- wall running (yes, that, too)
- buggy sliding code for diagonal walls

and so on.
And yes, I know that these have some impact on the game's behavior but some people prefer these to be fixed anyway. ;)
Logically fixing these means no more demo compatibility but honestly, who cares? If I want to watch a demo I use PrBoom for it.

03-07-07 10:32 #

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Mordeth
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SoM said:
"Clamoring"??? If by "clamoring" you mean "not making any contact for months at a time" then yes, you've been clamoring.

Yeah, that's pretty much on target :) But I did state a few times (in a now nearly-forgotten past, when the Earth was young etc etc) that I'm always interested in testing out new EE builds.

Good for you, because I usually notice different behaviour between builds very quickly since I'm testrunning the same stuff over and over again, plus I'm always trying out new features. And obviously good for me as well, since I can continue design with a more mature EE version.

I guess I'll be trying Lut's tactic :)

03-07-07 10:33 #

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Hobbs
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Graf Zahl said:
(And now I'm just waiting for Hobbs to drop in and try to post something insulting like he futilely tries to do apparently every time I post something here... :P)

You are a closed minded, annoying, self-righteous, douche who was born by being shat out of an extremely tight anus. There, I insulted you. Mind I wouldn't have bothered pointing that out if you hand't asked me to, but your wish is my command (or at least the ones I feel like).

Last edited by Hobbs on 03-07-07 at 17:07

03-07-07 16:39 #

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Graf Zahl
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Hobbs at his best...

And again you failed dismally! :P

/me signs off from this thread because I don't take part in retarded flamewars anymore. Have fun insulting someone else.

03-07-07 17:27 #

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Hobbs
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Yeah, you just chose to respond to my flamewar, but you didn't take part. Speaking of failure.

You also attempted to use third and first person in the same sentence to reference yourself. Batting a thousand today aren't we.

03-07-07 17:33 #

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SoM
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Dear Graf,
I have no idea how the hell you got off on this gameplay/bugfix/democomp bullshit rant of yours (which I've seen you on a few times before) because this thread has nothing to do with that. :P

Team Eternity maintains demo comp in EE of it's own free will. It is the teams choice and no one else's, and we will deal with whatever consequence results. I just wish you could understand that your own stance is nearly your opinion of the larger general opinion "most people would prefer these things be fixed" although stated like it's fact, is really just an opinion. I'm not saying that opinion does or does not reflect the actual state of public opinion in the doom community, I'm just saying it's an opinion. So please get off your high horse and at least pretend you don't think you're smarter than everyone else.

03-07-07 17:47 #

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Quasar
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My first news post and it turns into this :P

Why does everyone want to create a rivalry between ZDoom and Eternity? With the differences in approach and feature sets, there's more than enough room for the both of us. We have cooperated for the greater good more often than not; Eternity contains quite a bit of ZDoom-derived code without which it would be a much lesser port (buggy mlook, buggy TerrainTypes, buggy 3D object clipping, no particle system, and no guidance on how to implement and then extend the Hexen map format and its features...)

Perhaps I've encouraged it with my occasional gripings about how people tend to ignore other ports. Well that's just the truth of the situation, and it may never change. But if I were really doing this to be popular I'd have quit a long time ago. I, and I'm pretty sure SoM will agree, do this because I love doing it. If other people like it and find use of it too, then that's just more to love.

We cannot let this bickering get out of hand; it will lead down roads this community doesn't need to travel.

03-07-07 19:34 #