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david_a said:
kristus:
Pretty much every game is Direct3D these days. I can't think of another modern game besides Doom3 (and it's derivatives) that isn't. I wouldn't be surprised if Doom3 doesn't have the same problems on Belial's machine, since obviously ATI would get a lot of complaints if they can't run Doom3. GZDoom, though... Not so much.

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kristus said:
Those engines are D3d engines afaik. (of course, I could be very wrong) D3d is ATI's forte, while they pretty much suck at OpenGL.

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Enjay said:
There's a Doom mod I really quite like to play that I'd really have difficulty playing on a regular, old fashioned graphics card of the kind that I need to simply play Doom in software mode. What's it called again... I know, Doom64 Absolution TC. ;)

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The more that gets added to Doom ports, the higher the spec of hardware needed to run said ports will be. That stands to reason and I don't see a particular difficulty with that.

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It's even less of a valid criticism of the port in question if the error is, as it would seem in this case, due to faulty hardware or buggy drivers not complying with agreed standards.

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Scuba Steve said:
Please, troll. I used those ports on my 900 Athlon for years with no issues.

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BoldEnglishman said:
@Nick Perrin: Those tiles on the floor, DRAW THEM or make some sort of note about them, going from the arrow pointing to a tile to the arrow pointing away from a tile, and ONLY the coloured tiles.

Because when you reach the church, you need to follow that path in order to not die instantly.

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kristus said:


I'm well aware of that D3D is used a lot more than OpenGL for PC titles these days. Which I find strange, since OpenGL is available to a lot more different systems than D3D is.

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John Smith said:

Absolution doesn't require a very recent video card though does it? Or maybe a specific brand of video card? I never remember the absolution team hearing about problems related to either of those things.

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Right, So we've gone from needing an 80386 class CPU and 4MB of RAM with vanilla (1993), to an 80486/DX33 and 8MB of RAM for Boom (1999) to needing a 500+Ghz (right scuba whatever) processor, and about 128MB RAM with a relatively recent (or at least non-ati) graphics card for GZDoom, or an 80486 and 16MB RAM for Eternity in DOS (couldn't get Windows specs, but I think you're smart enough to figure out that it isn't a massive leap in specs), or a Pentium II and 64MB of RAM for odamex.

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Granted the much higher graphics requirements for GZDoom are attributed to the fact that it has an OpenGL renderer, but the rest of it...

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Graf Zahl said:
Tell me, why should the port developers be prohibited from adding stuff that requires more processing power than was available 14 years ago?

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esselfortium said:

Eternity's linked portals were available 14 years ago?

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rf` said:

5) Severe lack of ammo all around, actually. Especially when you go into the freakshow tent. I'm supposed to kill all these demons with a pitchfork and a few bullets? The end boss was literally impossible to kill without cheating.

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John Smith said:
I could so make an argument right now that eternity is better than gzdoom because its comparable features are less demanding. But it doesn't seem like it would either be lulzy or ram in any home truths, so I won't bother.

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Graf Zahl said:

Starting ZDoom with Doom2.wad in 1280x1024 to the title screen causes allocation of 27 MB, including memory allocations by DLLs that are loaded.

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Graf Zahl said:
That may be - but unfortunately ATI did their best with their drivers to make developers use D3D. GL rendering issues with Catalyst drivers are not a myth. For freeware like Doom ports this may be an annoyance - but for professionally developed game it can be a death blow.

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Kaiser said:


And 268435456 bytes to run the actual game

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kristus said:


Right, I suppose you're thinking about the ATI Rage Pro chips that I kept finding in all my friends brand computers during the late ninties. Those were lovely, would barely run anything harware rendered back then.

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BoldEnglishman said:

By the way, the three artifacts you need are an Hourglass of blah de blah, Skull of Thamuz and the Diamond.

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Ichor said:
At a spot near where you found those hellhounds you'll see three floating exclamation points surrounding a red area and a covered pit. That's where they all go, although you may want to visit the weapons shop nearby and the now broken cages before you place the artifacts.

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Nick Perrin said:


Hmm. There were no exclamation marks above those blocks where you place the artifacts. Thus, there was a very low chance of having figured that out on my own except maybe by luck!

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Vader said:

This book is required to read another book you can find behind a moon door, wich is located in an underground passage you reach from the hospital. Once you've "translated" the book, the exclamation marks above these platforms appear!

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