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TimeOfDeath
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Phil1984 said:
Now this isn't obvious when its some little (crappy) map made by some no-name
So says you!


Phil1984 said:
Have a group of 'respected' Doomers be able to see any review that has been submitted that has not been published yet, and allow them to submit a second opinion on the map if they so wish. Hopefully that will solve problems like this!
Even "respected" doomers have different tastes. If a slaughter wad was made for demo recording, even many demo recorders would hate it because they hate slaughter maps.

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myk said:
You're telling that to guys like Anders, myk, Graf Zahl and others who have been around forever and are aware of that, but different moments of controversy or "review criticism" don't all have the same causes.

It's important to discern between differences of opinion, controversial topics and a lack of competence.


Perhaps, but it all leads to the same end position: people inevitably being upset/annoyed/disappointed with a newstuff review. My point was simply that we should not pretend that the last newstuff setup was all rainbows and puppydogs, there will always be problems regardless of how newstuff is done.


myk said:The real problem is a lack of review submissions. If everyone were fighting to submit reviews, Bloodshedder could reject lame ones without being concerned that it will postpone the Chronicles any further. As for the hybrid solution you proposed, if people hardly submit a first opinion, why would they submit a second?


This is speaking from the guy who said that he had to drop Scythe X because of time commitments? I can't speak for you, but personally whenever I browse the newstuff review system thingy most of the interesting wads are already taken and its only the skins or whatnot that left. All I'm saying is give the option to some respected members of the community to be exempt from time limits, to be exempt from having to wonder if a certain wad has already been claimed and reviewed. The past system broke down because those chosen for newstuff reviews were simply unable to commit to reviewing 10+ wads a week. Tap a few people on the shoulder and give them the option of reviewing any maps that they choose and you should get some quality to return to newstuff.


TimeOfDeath:
Even "respected" doomers have different tastes. If a slaughter wad was made for demo recording, even many demo recorders would hate it because they hate slaughter maps.



And I mention that in my original post! Sure its not full proof, but surely having 2 opinions is better than one?


Patrick:

That's why we have the comment thread, if a Wad got a bad/crappy review, then comments can be posted about the true quality of the WAD. Why don't people write better reviews (like mine for instance) of wads in these comment threads instead of HURRRR MR FREEZE SHOULDNT BE ALLOWED TO REVIEW DURRR.



Yet you have someone like esselfortium saying that he really isn't looking forward to releasing his wad when newstuff dishes up the reviews that it does. Lets be honest, many many people only read the initial newstuff post and dont go into the comments. All I'm saying is give the option to some respected community members to be able to write 2nd opinions.

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Phil1984 said:
My point was simply that we should not pretend that the last newstuff setup was all rainbows and puppydogs
The critiques were not really about the reviewing system, but about that Scythe X review. It was bashed to hell because people aren't interested in such poor reviews.


This is speaking from the guy who said that he had to drop Scythe X because of time commitments?
And? Having the intelligence to perceive what the cause of an issue is (general lack of interest in reviewing) and being in the position to diminish the issue (by providing reviews) are not the same thing. I'm not about to try to alter the meaning of the facts I perceive just because I can't provide a solution to the problem :p

Unless you think I was complaining that people aren't reviewing. Not exactly. Though I do think the "review critiques" this time around may help make people a bit more careful, at least when picking up a WAD people expect to hear something about. (Aside from measures Bloodshedder took to try to further good reviewing.)


I can't speak for you, but personally whenever I browse the newstuff review system thingy most of the interesting wads are already taken and its only the skins or whatnot that left.
I probably check it more than you do because various slots have been available for a good amount of time, especially lately. I was surprised how long Scythe X was unclaimed, considering what caliber of WAD it is. We even had a thread about it, someone asking whether he should take it. He was probably surprised a more experienced reviewer hadn't taken it already.

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Scythe X is brilliant from start to finish. Simple as that.

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