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AlexMax said:
He's all hat and no cattle, as they say in Texas.

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Carnevil said:
c). In the above scenario, I took her up on it. I told her fine, let's do that. I joined their special chatroom, and was verbally assaulted by the entire staff. It was an empty promise. She had no intention of honoring it. Like she said, it was impulsive, and she later "came to her senses".

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Creaphis said:
One other thought: the top news post on Skulltag.com, much like the newspost here on Doomworld, is primarily a notice about a URL change. Weighing it on its own merits (ignoring any reputation Carn may have from events that have previously occurred), I feel that Carn's presentation of the issue is level-headed and understandable. Accusations of immaturity or attention-whoring are completely unfair. What the man is, is sentimental. Forgive him.

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Carnevil's website said:
The team I put in charge to take care of my baby was now telling me what I could and couldn't do, and overriding me. The team I put in charge to manage Skulltag was taking control of Skulltag.

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Carnevil said:
Now, this came at a time when the community was getting particularly unruly. Ralphis had reared his ugly head once again, and several others, such as phucket and Doom Marine, were intentionally causing trouble on IRC and on the forums. Getting sick of it, and making an attempt at getting the community under control (one of my criticisms of Rivecoder and staff's management), I did the logical thing and banned them. It wasn't the first time they had caused trouble, purgatory hadn't caused them to improve their behavior, and I had the support of the other admins at the time.

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Carnevil said:
Getting sick of it, and making an attempt at getting the community under control

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Carnevil said:
getting the community under control

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Carnevil said:
control

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Carnevil said:
There's a few things you're both (AlexMax and SoulPriestess) leaving out.

a). I didn't need anything returned to me, so that's all moot. All of the skulltag.com files still exist. They just copied everything over to the new host - they did not erase what was there currently. All downloading her database would accomplish would be to keep all of the posts made in the week or so since the move. It's not really a big deal, or necessary.

b). She was going to keep everything on skulltag.net in tact - the forum (though she claimed she would wipe the posts), site, staff, etc. In this case, what would be the point of me bringing my site back? All it would do is fracture the community and cause extreme chaos. This isn't what I'm after.

c). In the above scenario, I took her up on it. I told her fine, let's do that. I joined their special chatroom, and was verbally assaulted by the entire staff. It was an empty promise. She had no intention of honoring it. Like she said, it was impulsive, and she later "came to her senses".

@BBG: Thank you! I never thought you'd be sticking up for me, but it certainly is a welcome surprise. I obviously agree with what you said.

Sorry to jump in here guys and keep this all going, but I have to clear that all up. I don't expect to change anyone's minds, but I don't want misinformation out there.

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Doom Marine said:
The paradox of internet (community) and control is the more you try to control it, the more aggressive the trolls gets, and the less control you have.

From the way you wrote it, there is lack of control of the community on your part because you have a short temper and unable to control yourself... there is nothing but fail. Stop trying to control the trolls and go back to coding.

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Naked Snake said:

-The fork project must create a new name that is not similar to Skulltag, unless approved by Carnevil. Its logo must be different.

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Naked Snake said:

-Carnevil and others must be credited for their creation of the resources in the new project, by name, prominently in all documentation and "about pages" and all that. In other words, you can have your fork project, but Carn gets his credit where it is due.

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Naked Snake said:

-The Fork team not engage in any hostilities towards Carnevil if he chooses to continue with the same resources on the original Skulltag project, nor condone / allow others in their community to do so.

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Phobus said:
Does this mean we over at the zTheatre need some sort of drama to get our title back?

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Carnevil said:
[B]c). In the above scenario, I took her up on it. I told her fine, let's do that. I joined their special chatroom, and was verbally assaulted by the entire staff. It was an empty promise. She had no intention of honoring it. Like she said, it was impulsive, and she later "came to her senses".

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Naked Snake said:
I never said you guys wouldn't remove Carn from the credits, I'm just listing it as a condition for the sake of it being said and understood.

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Carnevil said:
I joined their special chatroom, and was verbally assaulted by the entire staff. It was an empty promise. She had no intention of honoring it.

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Xenaero said:
Skulltag has no intention to rename itself. I don't know why Alex is trying to force the issue. :X

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stewboy said:

Could you or someone else provide some logs of this?

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Xenaero said:

Do you want the log of that session publicized? I'm fully willing to share it in a public medium if that'll help.

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Xenaero said:
http://www.skulltag.com/theft/stmodsspecial.Skulltag.log

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Carnevil said:
http://www.skulltag.com/theft/stmod...al.Skulltag.log

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esselfortium said:
<@Carnevil> That kid's been a terror since he's been like 13
- Carnevil discussing Ralphis

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DaniJ said:
I've been watching this situation unfold from the sidelines. For what its worth, I have this to say:

Skulltag is Carnevils. End of story. Other devs may come and go and ultimately Carn may step back from active development but that in no way should be seen as disowning (unless described as such by Carn himself).

It is Carnevil's responsibility to ensure that the people working on Skulltag are doing so toward the goals he set for his project (unless disowned).

From what I can see, the core issue is whether Skulltag is now being developed by a democratic republic, or caretakers in the absence of Carnevil.

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Phobus said:
Does this mean we over at the zTheatre need some sort of drama to get our title back?

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[16:16:23] <@Metalhead> Are you going to continue to develope Skulltag?
[16:16:26] <@Metalhead> (again)
[16:16:39] <@Carnevil> I doubt it
[16:16:41] <@Carnevil> Does it matter?
[16:16:44] <@Metalhead> Yep.
[16:16:49] <@Carnevil> Lucas isn't making any more Star Wars movies, is he?

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