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BlazingPhoenix
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Doom Marine said:
MTV.



play games?

Heh.

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This article was fucking painful as hell to read.

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Frankly in an hour I'd have expected to have gotten past most of an E1 style episode that I'd never played before. Saying that though, if I had to do it using the original controls (these days) I'd probably be just as hopeless as he is, and I know about shift for running and alt for strafing.

For todays world he's have been better off using a port with mouselook, so he can play it using modern control schemes and thus only need to get used to the speed and simplicity of play.

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It's true that if he had spent more time playing through the game in a decent port with music he could've written a much fuller and more interesting article. Now that he's 'dabbled' in Doom the surprise of playing the game in it's intended form is gone. What I would like to see is someone young (but isn't the obvious graphics whore) who has never played it at all play through to completion. I think there is real scope for a great article there. Doom is a seminal game in so many ways and holds up so well it would be nice to see it get a full critique and get full recognition rather than: "Oh, Doom is cool...it used to be soooo scarey and hardcore oooohh". It deserves to be respected, to my mind, in the same way Citizen Kane (though I hate the movie/game comparison thnig - they're different media!!) or Dark Side of the Moon are. Please make it so Kotaku. :)

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I can see why he was so lost in e1m1. According to the article, he was using an online map for e1m3.

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bgraybr said:
He didn't play the game long enough to really experience everything, and he also got some facts wrong. The original controls weren't the WASD/mouse combo, like he said in the article. Did he just play the first level and make the rest up. Most of the writing is just filler anyways, it doesn't take an entire paragraph to describe how the gun bobs when you walk. The whole article... just seems overly dramatic, and lacks any real content.

Also, how could you possibly spend 5 minutes on the first level?



It's not that hard, imagine back to when you played Doom for the very very first time (probably using the arrow keys, since WASD, fuck, mouselook in games hadn't been invented yet)

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This is the most appalling, ridiculous, pants-on-head retarded article about a video game I have ever read. "Hey guys I spent 15 minutes wandering around one of the easiest FPS levels ever, in a game I should have played 16 years ago, and a shitty Flash port at that! And cheated! In the first level! Am I cool now?"

I think I lost brain cells reading this.

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Deeforce said:
I'm one of the biggest doom fans and what I saw there was that he didn't speak about the graphics badly. The graphics are bad.


What the holy hell are you talking about? Doom's graphics aren't bad, they don't 'get worse' because games and technology have moved beyond, which everyone expected and has surprised no one. Doom's graphics are just as brilliant as the day it came out. Who gives a shit what games look like now?

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Woolie Wool said:
RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGE!!!!



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FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK!!!!!



Mike.Reiner said:
I MAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAD!!!!


Troll of the year, all years.

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Pretty much.
This article is a huge cop-out. I don't know how you can call yourself a long-time gamer if you can't properly set up older games. It's not that hard. If I do a Google search on "play Doom", the first page has a link to the Wiki about getting it to run on XP/Vista/7. I would anticipate the same kind of issues loading any game over a decade old.

tl;dr OP is a dumbass.

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Aren't Dosbox versions that come with old software like the stuff from GOG prepared to run the games they come with? Like appropriately named shortcuts and conf files and whatnot.

Stopped reading when he said he couldn't run UDoom in Dosbox.

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It sounds to me like he didn't buy Doom at all - playing the game in the Flash version on Newgrounds, then the trial on XBLA.

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No, it says he bought it on Steam first. Then, he played the flash version? Instead of consulting Google and IMMEDIATELY finding info on source ports? Playing on flash or XBLA is a million times less true to Doom than playing via Chocolate Doom or PrBoom.

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No, it says he bought it on Steam first. Then, he played the flash version? Instead of consulting Google and IMMEDIATELY finding info on source ports? Playing on flash or XBLA is a million times less true to Doom than playing via Chocolate Doom or PrBoom.

But at the same time:

(I have now played Doom twice, but I have still never paid to play Doom which lumps me with the majority or minority?)

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[Adds more random bitching about some innocuous article.]

Come one guys, let's let it all out! It's good for the heart!

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It's what Doomworld does best!

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WildWeasel said:
It sounds to me like he didn't buy Doom at all - playing the game in the Flash version on Newgrounds, then the trial on XBLA.


I can tell you right now his claim that he bought it on steam is bullshit. I actually got my copy of final doom on steam. You don't even need a source port to play it. It's already set up for you. All you need to do is click the game and then play. From what I understand it's the same thing for Doom and Doom 2 as well, the only difference being that with Final Doom a window pops up after you run it asking whether you'd like to run Evilution or Plutonia.

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Craigs said:


I can tell you right now his claim that he bought it on steam is bullshit. I actually got my copy of final doom on steam. You don't even need a source port to play it. It's already set up for you. All you need to do is click the game and then play. From what I understand it's the same thing for Doom and Doom 2 as well, the only difference being that with Final Doom a window pops up after you run it asking whether you'd like to run Evilution or Plutonia.



The steam version is just dosbox pre configured. It works on virtually any modern windows pc. I don't know how the fuck he managed to screw it up, unless as you suspect, he didn't actually buy it.

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I had low expectations before I read the article. Kind of like my expectations for Doom 3 right before I rented it.

I thought his fixation on the blue was hilarious and kind of sad. Everything beyond that made me wince. He didn't know where to go in the first level? He played the flash version? "bad guys on staircases could shoot down at me, but I could not shoot up at them." Ugh.

But to be fair it sounded like he hadn't played a video game before 2002. I guess if I also had not played a game before 2002, was a shut-in, and a complete retard I would be confused at the sheer complexity of Doom.`LLLLOLOLOLOLOL

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Reminds me of the first time I played Wolf3D (which was on a friend's computer) and nearly swore off first-person shooters for life.

Gez said:

But at the same time:

(I have now played Doom twice, but I have still never paid to play Doom which lumps me with the majority or minority?)


Backtrack a little bit, it looks like this is what he hasn't paid for-

my Xbox Live Gold account had just expired, so I was not playing it with friends.
Plus he's not nerdy enough to work out how to play what he'd paid for. :D

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Bucket said:
tl;dr OP is a dumbass.
Yeah fraggle quit being such an idiot :P

Doom Marine said:
A quick Googling of the author shows that he's a gaming journalist for the mainstream abomination known as MTV.

http://multiplayerblog.mtv.com/author/stephentotilo/

Question remains, does he even play games?

Oh yes let's bash someone for not taking a good look at something while linking to something that clearly shows he left back in April to be snatched up by Kotaku.

People gotta start somewhere.

Dragonsbrethren said:
Yeah, I find it strange that he couldn't play the Steam version. It's even set up to use WASD and mouse controls by default, without having to use the setup program (which they didn't even include for some reason). I've never had any trouble running Doom in DOSBox, I was even able to run it find on my eight year old laptop. If he had actually tried Chocolate Doom that would've run fine too, since it'll find the Steam release automatically.
Steam version does not start with WASD and is, as you say, without a SETUP program. It's also set up in a clunky way to be nearly inconfigurable and run like crap. Nothing like if you'd gotten DOSBox and set it up yourself.

That said, I have to agree: it really feels like he just did it just to be able to say "I have now played Doom." He didn't give it a fair chance to really enjoy it, as opposed to just enough to slather compliments on it to please the fanboys. And yes, using the E1M3 map for E1M1 is hilarious. I hope he does realize his mistake and take some time to really let the flavors dance on his palette.

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DuckReconMajor said:
version does not start with WASD and is, as you say, without a SETUP program. It's also set up in a clunky way to be nearly inconfigurable and run like crap. Nothing like if you'd gotten DOSBox and set it up yourself.


Not exactly. When you download the steam version of Doom, it creates two config files, a 'MOUSE.CFG' and of course the DEFAULT.CFG.

Steam allows you to launch doom with either config, and MOUSE.CFG uses WASD.

However, I decided to check the steam version.. I don't really know what the deal is, but that old version of dosbox steam provides did in fact freeze on me.. I updated it and it worked fine.

So the author's comment regarding the steam version freezing isn't exactly bullshit from what I can gather.

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"I enjoyed the game more than I thought I would. I had expected a dinosaur, something that felt outmoded and unevolved. Instead, I found a cave-painting, gorgeous in its primitive beauty and built with an intelligence that rendered mean conflict with a thrill it is hard to ignore — or forget."

That's so beautiful it brings tears to my eyes.

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DuckReconMajor said:
People gotta start somewhere.Steam version does not start with WASD and is, as you say, without a SETUP program. It's also set up in a clunky way to be nearly inconfigurable and run like crap. Nothing like if you'd gotten DOSBox and set it up yourself.

Actually, out of the box, the Steam version runs better than just installing DOSBox and not tweaking any settings. For one thing, Doom's sound cracks a lot with the default DOSBox sound settings, the Steam version's configuration has them tweaked. It also compensates for Windows' mouse acceleration by cranking up the DOSBox mouse sensitivity. As Mike Reiner said, it comes with both the original Doom control scheme and a WASD + Mouse config with everything already setup, with the option to choose which to use from the Steam client itself. It's actually a nice little package, all things considered. You don't need to configure the games at all, and they should just work, but evidently some people are having problems with the included DOSBox now.

I did contemplate making a patch that would clean up the Steam releases by installing one up-to-date version of DOSBox, deleting the extras, and tweaking the batch files Steam uses the launch the games. I already set mine up that way, and figured no one would really want the patch anyway since the games run fine as they are, and it saves almost no space.

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ZDoom and ChocoDoom can both find your IWADs in the SteamApps directory tree and run them.

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Please don't tell me this sycophantic cunt gets paid to write this dross? Doom is artful and thoughtful, the exact opposite of this lame-brained reviewer. He has clearly been stupefied by the unimaginative likes of Doom3 and its colourless ilk. He played it for 20 minutes at the most then wrote a terrible, laboured review with pathetically contrived and tortured similes:

"The shotgun is, in all senses, instant puberty, which is to say, delicately, that to obtain it is to have the assumed added potency that a boy believes a man possesses vis a vis a world on which he'd like to have some impact. The shotgun is the punch in the face the once-scrawny boy on the beach gives the bully when he returns a muscled linebacker."

What an absolute twat. I wonder if he talks to his friends like this as well?

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Mr. T said:


It's not that hard, imagine back to when you played Doom for the very very first time (probably using the arrow keys, since WASD, fuck, mouselook in games hadn't been invented yet)


When I played doom I was beating all the levels and then making my own And I was like 12.

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The first time I played Doom was with a borrowed copy of the PSX version. The only things I can remember from it are E1M3's starting nukage pit, MAP02's outside area where you needed to jump into the window, and MAP04's start with the crusher windows. My memory sucks, apparently.

The first time I played it on a PC was with EDGE and modern FPS controls (including jumping, crouching, and mouse look). I regret that, since I easily could've played vanilla on that computer.

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I used Doom95. He should have used that :D.

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