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Gez said:
And inversely, forcing one's views on others is my yardstick to define what an extremist is. Being interested by something is not extreme. Are the forumgoers here Doom extremists if they aren't in a Call of Duty clan/guild/whatever? The extremist is the one that makes the step from "this is what I like" to "my way is the One True Way".
Wait, weren't you into linguistics? If you check the definition of extremist there are two main acceptations. You're saying number two always applies and it's what the term really means. Are you sure kb1 didn't usurp your computer :p

An extremist is defined by one of the two acceptations or both at once. In the community I consider myself an extremist mainly by definition one, as I narrow down my tastes to certain extremes, competitive stuff and vanilla compatibility, in an almost exclusive way. And while we're all "interested animals," I don't particularly care about the idea of having others share my views, past those who get to similar preferences independently, as they are the only ones that hold them consistently. I'm "too old" to shove things on others, know it doesn't work, and prefer spontaneous preference, all without losing my appreciation for the extremes I chose, which are possible as a mere fraction of a whole.

From this extreme I can see that people in extremes, in general, are valuable, as I am one of them. Thus, distant extremes, and even the extreme I noted in the middle, become important. This kills "definition two" on me. Sometimes I feel closer to an extremist like myself because of preferences we share, sometimes to the middle guy because of their merging and mixing qualities, sometimes of the extremist at the other end because they act like a mirror that reminds that one is human.

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Diversity in the community is what has kept it alive for 17 years. The issue is when those certain individuals decide to run their mouth about how a certain mod/genre/port is the work of Satan or whatever. It's hard not to dismiss wholesale when 90% of the time it ends in pointless drama. I'm far from a fence-sitter, but that aspect of the community, more than anything else, is what drives me up the wall. I find it encouraging that there are other people in the world still passionate about Dooming and Doom modding which, at the end of it all, is a hobby. There is only one table, but there are many seats. The problem is that all too often it descends into a massive food fight. The main course the gets binned, or someone leaves the table altogether. People just need to chill out IMO.

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Scalliano, your not wrong about how diversity has kept this community alive... however if you read the first page you'd see that most of the posts here are in response to someone who cried out about everyone elses evil generalizations while making ridiculous generalizations of his own, denying the possibility of creativity in non zdoom wads. All because he saw a review where creaphis was posting his observations about custom monsters in a particular wad which just happened to strike a Z-nerve. But really, the argument is over and everyone has since made friends. <3

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All good. Just a general opinion, really.

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scalliano said:
It's hard not to dismiss wholesale when 90% of the time it ends in pointless drama.
I would say less than half of preference discussions and arguments are pointless. The dumber ones usually end up pretty quick or many get better as people become more thoughtful or lay out their claims, while the forum has a high degree of relatively intelligent debates in general. Diversity exists openly only because each different person or type has a space to make his or her preferences known and distinguished. Debate is completely inevitable there. My preferred method of dealing with anything dumb is by specifically responding to something someone said, generally with quotes to dilute possible ambiguity. Making a generalization on the sidelines when a debate is going on is less frank and can make people not intentionally alluded to feel that they're also being placed in the generalization and all that itself creates further debate.

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I never said the discussions/arguments themselves were pointless, far from it. I'm simply stating that even the most interesting of topics can get ugly quite quickly. I've seen this happen more often recently - I won't cite examples as I don't want to reopen old wounds - but it is an issue that concerns me, particularly when good projects fall by the wayside because of it. I'm not specifically talking about Doomworld, either.

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