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id Software has announced on its various social network feeds that it has reached the grand milestone of 20 years in business. Congrats to the id guys on this impressive achievement! John Romero has shared a few memories of the early days, and I'm sure more people will have something to say over the coming day.
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Happy Birthday iD. Hard to believe you're already 20 years old!

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Funny that Romero is linked, but id's own stuff isn't.
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Happy birthday.
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Gez said:
Funny that Romero is linked, but id's own stuff isn't.
We need to be less friendly on Id, if we want to convince them to release great titles again.
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Congrats on 20 years, id Software! :)
And thank you for bringing us some of the greatest games of all time.
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It would be far more interesting to hear his take on the middle days.
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printz said:
We need to be less friendly on Id, if we want to convince them to release great titles again.
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Gez said:
Funny that Romero is linked, but id's own stuff isn't.
Like I said, they ("they" being Id and Zenimax) didn't really post anything more than a sentence in length on Twitter and Facebook about it. Romero's post was the biggest article from a semi-official source I could find.
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Carmack isn't the same kind of nostalgic that Romero is. :p
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It'd be more impressive if id had made it to 20 as an independent studio, and not one looking at releasing their next game with DRM and planned-obsolescence features, and talking about DOOM 3 being their last open-source engine (with even that looking questionable after all these years, wtf is going on anyway?).
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(with even that looking questionable after all these years, wtf is going on anyway?)
Zenimax don't seem opposed to source code releases - another studio owned by them, Arkane, recently released the source to Arx Fatalix, and Carmack mentioned a while back that Zenimax legal seem cool with the whole thing. I guess it's just the waiting game at the moment...
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(with even that looking questionable after all these years, wtf is going on anyway?).
Mmmmm, Doom 3 source ports. But that's just a dream.

Or (if it's going to be GNU-GPL) copy Doom 3 features into Doom ports that are also GNU :D
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Mmmmm, Doom 3 source ports. But that's just a dream.

Or (if it's going to be GNU-GPL) copy Doom 3 features into Doom ports that are also GNU :D

Probably the only thing in Doom 3 that could be used in Doom would be the scripting engine; however, it's already open source - it is included in the SDK. Granted the SDK is not licensed compatibly, but it could be still be "learned from" - in fact I considered this for Eternity for a while. The problems with it are two-fold: 1. the code has NO documentation or commenting, and 2. the entirety of its method of defining actors and states and tying models to them would be completely inapplicable for a Doom port.

In the end, a general-purpose scripting language would be easier to adapt.
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kristus said:
Carmack isn't the same kind of nostalgic that Romero is. :p

Well, Carmack is still in the place and working on AAA games, while Romero... Romero has reasons to be nostalgic about it.
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kristus said:
Carmack isn't the same kind of nostalgic that Romero is. :p


Not that Romero has had a continuous success streak to have the luxury to forget about *ahem Daikatana, Bitch Ad, etc. *
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however, it's already open source - it is included in the SDK.
Doesn't that mean that mods with custom SDKs are violating the licence if they don't include their source codes available to the end-user?
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Gez said:
Funny that Romero is linked, but id's own stuff isn't.
But here we tend to look at id from an early 90s perspective and, reasons aside, Romero relates to that more than the id site does.
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Doesn't that mean that mods with custom SDKs are violating the licence if they don't include their source codes available to the end-user?

I don't think so. I said open-source, not free software. id game SDKs are under restricted use licenses up until such time that the game engine gets GPL'd. The SDK license for Doom 3 basically states "You can only use this to create mods with the idTech 4 engine." Which is why you couldn't take it and directly use it with Doom, yet. You can learn from looking at it, certainly, which is what I attempted to do. It just didn't help me much.
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