Icon of Sin / Baphomet
Register | User Profile | Member List | F.A.Q | Privacy Policy | New Blog | Search Forums | Forums Home
Doomworld Forums : Powered by vBulletin version 2.2.5 Doomworld Forums > Misc. > Doomworld News > Doomsday 1.11 released
 
Author
All times are GMT. The time now is 05:33. Post New Thread    Post A Reply
Vermil
Senior Member


Posts: 1683
Registered: 03-04


Doomsday 1.11 has been released. The main focus of this release is the first stage of Doomsday's new mouse driven UI; the taskbar replaces the old console and a game selection menu has been added to ring zero. Other notable new features include the removal of the sub model limit to allow model makers to make more advanced models, and the restoration of the OpenAL sound plugin after it was broken during the rewrite. There's also the usual assortment of bug fixes, technical improvements and preparation for the future. With the release of 1.11, support for OSX 10.4 and Windows XP has been dropped. Download it from the homepage, and check the release notes.

Old Post 07-21-13 08:40 #
Vermil is offline Profile || Blog || PM || Email || Search || Add Buddy IP || Edit/Delete || Quote
Graf Zahl
Why don't I have a custom title by now?!


Posts: 7715
Registered: 01-03



Vermil said:
With the release of 1.11, support for Windows XP has been dropped.


Huh?
Isn't that a bit premature?

Old Post 07-21-13 21:21 #
Graf Zahl is offline Profile || Blog || PM || Email || Search || Add Buddy IP || Edit/Delete || Quote
DaniJ
Senior Member


Posts: 2081
Registered: 08-03


First let me assure you this decision was not taken lightly. It is however something we have needed to do for a while now.

As you may be aware Doomsday is developed using Qt and we are continually finding ourselves in a position where we cannot leverage much of it's excellent feature set in a coherent and uniform way because too often XYZ is not supported on Windows XP. I certainly don't expect this situation to change this late in the life of that OS.

Its not like older versions of Doomsday will simply drop off the face of the internet or simply stop working. For example, Doomsday 1.8.6 is still running fine for many people. Also, we are fully aware that Doomsday is not the only port available to the user. There are several excellent ports which will likely continue to maintain XP support a couple of years from now.

However, this is not all about XP. There are other platforms and architectures being considered here. Take OS X 10.4 for example. Compared to XP, this OS is barely a teenager yet it is being dropped for similar reasons.

For the past few stable versions we have held back as obviously there are still quite a few XP users out there. However, we believe that the tipping point has now been reached. We now need to cut the cord so that the experience of the majority using a modern OS is not compromised because of a minority clinging on to XP.

Old Post 07-21-13 22:04 #
DaniJ is offline Profile || Blog || PM || Search || Add Buddy IP || Edit/Delete || Quote
andrewj
Senior Member


Posts: 1631
Registered: 04-02



DaniJ said:
As you may be aware Doomsday is developed using Qt and we are continually finding ourselves in a position where we cannot leverage much of it's excellent feature set in a coherent and uniform way because too often XYZ is not supported on Windows XP. I certainly don't expect this situation to change this late in the life of that OS.


I'm curious, what are a couple of those features which cannot be leveraged on XP?

When it comes to supported old OSes, I think you have to draw the line somewhere, for example very few projects would support Windows 95 these days. You guys have a prerogative to say XP is over that line, as even Microsoft has EOLed it, but I think in this community there are still many people using XP and it's not good to ignore that.

Old Post 07-22-13 03:51 #
andrewj is offline Profile || Blog || PM || Search || Add Buddy IP || Edit/Delete || Quote
GreyGhost
Why don't I have a custom title by now?!


Posts: 8661
Registered: 01-08


Gives me another reason to stop muttering about dual-booting my desktop and actually do it. I'm less than impressed with what Microsoft has released since XP.

Old Post 07-22-13 04:33 #
GreyGhost is offline Profile || Blog || PM || Email || Search || Add Buddy IP || Edit/Delete || Quote
Blzut3
Member


Posts: 503
Registered: 06-04


I'm also interested in what Qt features are not available on XP. Doomseeker runs fine on XP as far as I'm aware. It would even run on 98 if we used MinGW instead of Visual Studio 2008.

Not that I personally have a problem with Doomsday dropping XP support, but like the others I find it a little odd. Especially since Microsoft was even forced to add support for XP on VS 2012.

andrewj said:
as even Microsoft has EOLed it,

Since when has still supported become EOLed? Sure it's extended paid support, but the updates still show up for normal users.

Old Post 07-22-13 05:44 #
Blzut3 is online now Profile || Blog || PM || Email || Homepage || Search || Add Buddy IP || Edit/Delete || Quote
andrewj
Senior Member


Posts: 1631
Registered: 04-02



Blzut3 said:
Since when has still supported become EOLed? Sure it's extended paid support, but the updates still show up for normal users.

Sorry I thought it had happened already, seems to be coming though:

http://tech.slashdot.org/story/13/0...d-of-windows-xp

Old Post 07-22-13 09:57 #
andrewj is offline Profile || Blog || PM || Search || Add Buddy IP || Edit/Delete || Quote
Graf Zahl
Why don't I have a custom title by now?!


Posts: 7715
Registered: 01-03



andrewj said:

I'm curious, what are a couple of those features which cannot be leveraged on XP?




I honestly can't think of anything - which shifts the blame to Qt. If its developers no longer take XP seriously, it obviously means that support for the OS is declining.

(Which also makes it a bad tool to use IMO as XP still holds significant market share.)

Old Post 07-22-13 10:44 #
Graf Zahl is offline Profile || Blog || PM || Email || Search || Add Buddy IP || Edit/Delete || Quote
printz
CRAZY DUMB ZEALOT


Posts: 8832
Registered: 06-06


Well, for old computers which can only run Windows XP, if even that, there's Xubuntu as an alternative to extend their useful life. If Doomsday runs on Ubuntu, all's good.

__________________
Automatic Wolfenstein - Version 1.0 - also on Android

Old Post 07-22-13 12:01 #
printz is offline Profile || Blog || PM || Homepage || Search || Add Buddy IP || Edit/Delete || Quote
Graf Zahl
Why don't I have a custom title by now?!


Posts: 7715
Registered: 01-03



printz said:
If Doomsday runs on Ubuntu, all's good.



... unless the owner of said machine won't use Linux. Which with upgrade-resistant users is very likely.

Hell, considering that even the decision of ZDoom to end Win95 support was questioned...

Old Post 07-22-13 12:24 #
Graf Zahl is offline Profile || Blog || PM || Email || Search || Add Buddy IP || Edit/Delete || Quote
Badboy
Junior Member


Posts: 120
Registered: 09-12


so this doom port is so futuristic and ahead of its time that it cant support xp? :>

Old Post 07-22-13 12:27 #
Badboy is offline Profile || Blog || PM || Email || Homepage || Search || Add Buddy IP || Edit/Delete || Quote
Vermil
Senior Member


Posts: 1683
Registered: 03-04


Deng team have released 1.10.4 for those who can't run 1.11:

http://dengine.net/builds
http://dengine.net/Build939

It includes all the bug fixes from 1.11.

Old Post 07-28-13 19:22 #
Vermil is offline Profile || Blog || PM || Email || Search || Add Buddy IP || Edit/Delete || Quote
GreyGhost
Why don't I have a custom title by now?!


Posts: 8661
Registered: 01-08


Thank heavens for small mercies, and on my birthday! Downloading . . .

Old Post 07-29-13 03:01 #
GreyGhost is offline Profile || Blog || PM || Email || Search || Add Buddy IP || Edit/Delete || Quote
All times are GMT. The time now is 05:33. Post New Thread    Post A Reply
 
Doomworld Forums : Powered by vBulletin version 2.2.5 Doomworld Forums > Misc. > Doomworld News > Doomsday 1.11 released

Show Printable Version | Email this Page | Subscribe to this Thread

 

Forum Rules:
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts
HTML code is OFF
vB code is ON
Smilies are OFF
[IMG] code is OFF
 

< Contact Us - Doomworld >

Powered by: vBulletin Version 2.2.5
Copyright ©2000, 2001, Jelsoft Enterprises Limited.