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Butts said:
i was retorting to someones previous comment about who wants to be gay...

use3d, i never said that normal society didnt involve gay people, i was simply saying that tchaikovsky (do you even know who he is?) was gay but lived his life a lie. i never said gay people have to pretend to be straight, i dont care one way or another what gay people do, its not my life. i never said anything that gay people cant get married.

no one will ever be able to convince me that im wrong either.



Wow a lot of the things you never said were pretty clearly stated in your posts. Yeah, you don't have anything against gay marriage but you object to it being called marriage. Well, what is marriage if it isnt...uh...marriage. You bring up Tchaikovsky as a random example and now are disputing the connotations behind including him. It kinda makes me wonder how a straight person can be so stuck on the "fact" that gay people choose to be gay that even after two gay members of the forum tell him otherwise he's still stuck on it. But no I'm done arguing this with you, by your own admission you're beyond listening to others.

Well at least I'm happy that with same sex marriage, maybe this Country will take the next step for civil rights without any more bullshit.

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Guys, Butts is playing you for fools. He's deliberately saying ignorant things to get you to yell at him, then backpedaling while laughing to himself. And since he came right out and said this:

Butts said:
no one will ever be able to convince me that im wrong either.

just forget about responding to him.

As for marriage, fuck yeah. I think anything should be able to marry anything. For serious. The idealistic side of society taught me that religion was a union of two (or hell, more than two) people who loved each other. I never understood why it was limited to heterosexuals. Secondly, know your history, folks. Marriage did not start as a religious ceremony. It wasn't until the 1500s - and mostly because of the Catholic Church - that marriage took on a religious overtone. It had existed for a couple of thousand years, albeit in different forms, and was officially called marriage I think in the Roman Empire sometime in the 4th century. Same sex marriages were outlawed around the same time the term came into existence. Intolerance discriminates against no time period. So guess what? Marriage is not exclusively Christian, and never has been. And then, far after all this happened, the state had to go and get involved, so now it's beneficial to get married. What a fucking mess that is. I think anyone should be able to get a legal marriage, or civil union, or whatever you want to call it, and it should impart all the benefits that marriage in its current form does. I personally do not believe something like this should be called marriage, because when I think marriage, I don't think a bunch of legal shit should be involved. Marriage has been perverted in the last four or five hundred years into a way to oppress anyone who is not heterosexual or chooses to stay single.

So yeah, have a legal union, where there's a bunch of paperwork to fill out and all that so everyone has access to the same rights, and then have a separate ceremony called marriage, and it can be religious or not but most importantly, strictly a ceremony with no legal involvement. That way, people can choose just one or the other or both. Alex out.

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Let 'em marry.

Although this has been deemed a "states' issue", the US Supreme Court will eventually give a ruling on some case that makes it up that far.

For supplementary reading:
Loving vs. Virginia (race based segregation of marriage declared unconstitutional).

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alexz721 said:
I think anything should be able to marry anything.

...I think by anything you mean "Any consenting adult". I don't think you seriously believe we should marry toasters.

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Bashe said:
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Indeed. I love men, and Butts is a closet homo. Marriage is the legal life-long joining of two people. That's where the specifics stop, IIRC (please feel free to correct me, and then I'll laugh at you for believing in a zombie that was born from a virgin mother); so why not? And none of this 'calling it something else' bulldick. That's like saying "well, me and the rest of the Jews want to escape from these death camps, but let's just call it getting exterminated instead."

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Scuba Steve said:

...I think by anything you mean "Any consenting adult". I don't think you seriously believe we should marry toasters.


I was just being a little humorous. But really, if it's doesn't hurt me or them, then fuck, they can marry a toaster. I've seen weirder fetishes.

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alexz721 said:
hurt me or you, fuck, marry a toaster


I WANT TO FUCK A FOX IN THE BUTT, DOESN'T THAT OFFEND YOU

Hi.

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WHAT WHAT IN THE BUTT

But seriously, I meant every word of that first post. I'm tired of people not looking at the big picture.

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I kinda agree with alex, anything in the legal aspect of being in a married relationship should be eliminated from context. I say that rather boldly because I am not really aware of what concerns the governemnt may have with married peoples, I would have to search on and on for that, and when I do, I may take back this statement.

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Scuba Steve said:
...I think by anything you mean "Any consenting adult". I don't think you seriously believe we should marry toasters.
Why not! You wind up with a partner for life (or until the warranty expires) and solve the wedding gift conundrum at the same time. :P

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TheCupboard said:
Loving v. Virginia
Heh, "Loving" made a fitting name for the case.

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fraggle said:
My reply was intended for Butts, though, and his argument is not a religious one.


Butts said:
no one will ever be able to convince me that im wrong either.

Guess I was wrong. My bad.

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well, i just pretty much exhausted my supply of hypocrisy.

see you all next political/controversial thread. maybe.

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myk said:
Heh, "Loving" made a fitting name for the case.

Also I thought that said "Vagina" at first instead of "Virginia".

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uhhhhhhh

In Britain a gay marriage is called a "Civil parnership", which basically has the same tax and stuff rights, just isn't called a "marriage".

I just wish it was available for straight relationships too (then again i currently have a boyfriend), nothing like a straight couple getting the same "fake evil satantic communist nazi terrorist marriage" as gays to fuck off religious people.

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