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eargosedown
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God bless the sawed off 10 gauge.


Also, I'd say this is the deadliest shotgun
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The Saiga is a testament to the longevity of the Kalashnikov design. From what I can tell, the only real difference between a stock Saiga 12 and a stock AK-74 is the barrel (has to be wider to accomodate the shell) and magazine (has to be pretty much redesigned to take the 12 gauge shells). Someone once told me that the parts are, effectively, almost totally interchangeable. A rail accessory kit for an AK-74 will just as easily fit on the Saiga.
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I believe the extractor is also slightly different to accommodate shotgun shells, but otherwise it's the tried and true AK design. Given how simple the AK is, I'm not surprised it can be retooled to fire shotgun shells.
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Do you really need the power of a fully automatic shotgun? Because that seems to be asking for some pretty lethal and common friendly fire.
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doom2day said:
Do you really need the power of a fully automatic shotgun? Because that seems to be asking for some pretty lethal and common friendly fire.

A real shotgun (at least, a well designed one) doesn't have nearly the sort of spread that it would have in a Doom game. I seem to recall my friend's pump-action Mossberg spreading no more than three inches at thirty meters. Unless your aim is really terrible, that's unlikely to spread beyond your target, and I don't recall buckshot penetrating that deeply either.
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Mr. Freeze said:
the pellets dont split like that irl a ra ra tom klancy
WildWeasel said:
A real shotgun (at least, a well designed one) doesn't have nearly the sort of spread that it would have in a Doom game. I seem to recall my friend's pump-action Mossberg spreading no more than three inches at thirty meters. Unless your aim is really terrible, that's unlikely to spread beyond your target, and I don't recall buckshot penetrating that deeply either.
Are you guys talking about sawed-off shotguns?
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Are you guys talking about sawed-off shotguns?

Well, I don't know about the rest of the thread, but I'm talking about a standard pump-action - the kind you can buy from pretty much any sporting-goods store in Oregon. 18-inch barrel, (easily-removable) wooden plug inside the tube magazine that prevents it from holding more than two shells, that sort of thing.
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Well, most of the guns in these games are sawed-off. Yes, I know games are still exaggerating the spread even by that, and that even the ones that don't happen to be sawed behave the same way, but I think the comparison could be a bit better. Though I guess that's not possible with the US's restriction on them.
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WildWeasel said:

A real shotgun (at least, a well designed one) doesn't have nearly the sort of spread that it would have in a Doom game. I seem to recall my friend's pump-action Mossberg spreading no more than three inches at thirty meters. Unless your aim is really terrible, that's unlikely to spread beyond your target, and I don't recall buckshot penetrating that deeply either.

I'm talking more of a whole lets-go-carry-mini-guns-into-combat sort of thing where if you lose grip of the gun (Not going to happen with properly trained soldiers)

I just believe that overkill just ends up leading to stuff like friendly fire.

I'm not sure how combat works these days and stuff, but would there be risk of seriously hurting a civilian with such powerful automatic shotguns?
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The AA-12 (best example I can think of) might be fully automatic, but its main point of design is that it's intended to be very controllable, in both accuracy and fire rate. So a shooter could very well fire only one round, or fire only as many rounds as is absolutely necessary to take down his/her target. Granted, perhaps friendly fire is still going to be an issue with a reckless shooter, but that would be the case with any sort of weapon.
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The other advantage of the AA-12 is the fact that it can load different kinds of shells, of which there are plenty. It's quite possible to have the first five rounds be less-than-lethal rubber pellets followed by buck or slugs. Of course that's just a guess, I'm not sure if the AA-12 can chamber less-than-lethal loads, so it might only fire slugs, buck and any other kind of lethal ammunition.
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Wouldn't the unpredictability of battle make the advantages of such a mixed round drum moot and irrelevant? Like if you need to kill the body guards and then knock out the target with a non-lethal round, but one of the guards is not there, so you're faced with a lethal round when there should be a non-lethal one.

I think that the advantage was meant for how you could put almost any type of round, and there are many, into this drum for whatever purpose you may have. The grenade thing sounds promising.
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doom2day said:
Do you really need the power of a fully automatic shotgun? Because that seems to be asking for some pretty lethal and common friendly fire.


Yes.

Unless a tank is available, then I'd take that too.

Or a battleship.

I'd always rather bring the bigger gun to a gunfight.
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