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David_Dweedle said:
Just curious if Quake 1 has any maps like that.. I know its a long shot.

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Among other things, I wrote (translated from Greek):

Furthermore, [Quake's] "real 3D sprites" may offer greater realism than DOOM's 2D sprites, but their existence is also part of the reason of why the game [Quake] is so slow, that is, the "good" they do can't make up for the "evil".

Really, wouldn't a location in QUAKE with over 30 enemies be too slow, even with a Pentium Pro @ 200 MHz? I've seen locations in DOOM with tenths of enemies packed together, hordes, mobs, and at the maximum window size, at High Detail (a very useful functionality BTW, which was unfortunately removed from Quake) and on my 486DX/40 with just 4 MB they were lightning fast, according to Doom's FPS meter (20 to 24 fps).

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I concluded the letter with::

Really, if someone was to see for the first time Quake and then Doom on a machine that's able to run both of them perfectly, I am pretty confident that he would find Doom more lively, faster, better looking, more SATANIC (yeah, I actually wrote that!) and more ATMOSPHERIC than Quake. For Quake, he would perhaps mention as "advantages" the slightly more varied environment, and the prettier water effects. But NOTHING else. He would also find the enemies [in Quake] would be in general slower and unchallenging, the weapons would be more stupid, and the gameplay in general more tedious.

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I believe that an experienced DOOMER on a good machine (to help achieve fast gameplay) can quickly dispose of those turtles pretending to be Quake's "enemies". If however he saw both on a machine that's only able to run Doom well, he would also add that DOOM is technically light-years ahead of Quake, and that Quake is simply....unplayable

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leileilol said:
No. Level size limit and entity limit (do you like packet overflows?) prevent such thing.

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Maes said:
mobs, and at the maximum window size, at High Detail (a very useful functionality BTW, which was unfortunately removed from Quake)

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kristus said:


Quake always had hi resolution support.

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leileilol said:
Low detail wouldn't do 486s any good since they'll choke on the processing of the BSP in real time alone, with dynamic lights, vis, etc.

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kristus said:
Quake still had the option to shrink the screen.

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Maes said:

In general, Quake's fps performance was an order of magnitude below that of Doom

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printz said:
I think it's the reverse. Under a performant Windows 98 computer, Quake runs twice as fast as it's supposed to do. It happens real easily when you look into the void.

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