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LOL Well said, Fraggle!

Some games with olde graphics look nice. DOOM is one of the few olde FPS games that do. DOOM II not so much. The maps are uglier.

The thing that bugs me about a lot of olde games is the control schemes suck. I have serious problems playing any RTS game older than TA. TA got RTS controls right. I used to play a lot of older ones, but now they're tedious. Id got FPS controls right. Interesting, deeper games like System Shock didn't do such a good job.

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I completely agree. Fanboys are stupid.

Slappy and supper time, oh my ass!

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Actually, until this thread, I wasn't honestly aware there was anyone around who actually does hate Doom. I certainly understand fanboyism in general, but I always figured that Doom is old enough that any kids who are likely to have those tendencies would be too young to even know what Doom is.

st.alfonzo said:
I fire up doom 3 every once in a while just to play Super Turkey Turbo Puncher.

...What have I become?


You've become a Super Turbo Turkey Puncher, obviously.

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geekmarine said:
[B]Actually, until this thread, I wasn't honestly aware there was anyone around who actually does hate Doom. I certainly understand fanboyism in general, but I always figured that Doom is old enough that any kids who are likely to have those tendencies would be too young to even know what Doom is.



Actually, a good deal of students at my school know what Doom is, but favor these new game consoles with fancy graphics and shit and don't seem to respect that Doom is a milestone of gaming.

I try not to be some hot-headed know-it-all kid. I'll chime in on my opinion sometimes and speak truthfully from my knowledge (Which doesn't involve reading Wikipedia 24/7) other times.

But seriously, some people here seem to over-analyze any words being used and don't seem to see the message in a thread. I provided Doom as an example because there's people who don't like Doom because it's not "realistic".

http://www.breakitdownblog.com/wp-c...-screenshot.jpg

If you think this looks real, I stand corrected then.

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Kagemaru_H, I am very upset with you. So much so that my cheeks appear to be boiling while flapping at 1024 gigaflops a nanosecond. Thanks to you, bryce might notice this and tell me he has more gigabits on his computer.

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All I can think of are the early 90s Sonic and Mario arguments and idiot little kids getting into fist fights right now.

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That's all I ever thought of posting on Sega-16 :P.

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geekmarine said:
Actually, until this thread, I wasn't honestly aware there was anyone around who actually does hate Doom.


For that matter, there were Doom haters ever since Doom came out, during its heyday and (particularly) during its slow "commercial" decline.

All for different reasons though: early Doom haters could range from "concerned" citizens and religious fundamentalists, to butthurt Wolf 3D/Blake Stone fans, etc.

Those that hated it during its heyday criticized the "pointless" gratuitously violent gameplay (as if it was a world's first or something), criticized fans as being "Doomheads" (I gotta find that gem, seriously) etc.

Finally, those around the beginning of its decline criticized it for being "too old" and "one of the same" and were too quick to nominate any new crappy Doom clone (including ROTT and Corridor 7!) as the "new king" and writing misleading reviews to support their flawed reasoning, while in reality most contemporary shooters couldn't hold a candle to it.

A certain PC magazine fell into this last category, and got what they deserved from me.

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geekmarine said:
Actually, until this thread, I wasn't honestly aware there was anyone around who actually does hate Doom.


I can acknowledge there are people within the general population that dislike Doom (fundies... *spit*), but I've literally brainwashed myself into believing no gamer is a gamer without Doom.

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The Columbine school shootings in 1999 didn't help either, and no gamer has lived until he's beat Doom 1 on UV.


@Maes: ROTT actually stands out in the pack of Doom clones, being based on an enhanced Wolfenstein engine adding some fancy effects like moving walls and platforms. Still, that ol' ROTT is no match for the King Doom!

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I'm pretty sure fanboyism relies on what someone's first good experience with a game is. Doom was obviously my first great video game experience. It wasn't until I played some megawads that I had decided that this was 'my game'. You can't get PWADs for Call of Duty I always say!

The thing is, the video game market is bringing in more and more new gamers, and so they get attached to the first few games they enjoy, which coincidentally, a lot of my friends who never were gamers recently got hooked on L4D and COD. XBOX360 it appears to be the new popular thing these days.

The same thing works in many other scenarios. When I was a youngster I could easily said LaBatt Blue was my favorite beer because that was the first beer i ever got drunk off of. At this point I can gracefully say it kinda sucks.

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Yeah, that's certainly a good amount of it. Then again, there are a lot of Halo fanboys out there who had previously been obsessed with games like GoldenEye/Perfect Dark. All in all, it really just depends on the person. I had plenty of games I loved in addition to Doom (I've beaten Super Mario 64 about 20 times now), and I keep going back to them all. So I think the real fallacy lies in the "You can only love ONE game!" mentality that this thread is discussing.

Oh, by the way, my 'special beer' is Miller High Life... Pretty much the same situation.

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You really can't blame people for hating on a game as old as Doom...

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I don't blame their choices, but the way their minds work.

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Kagemaru_H said:
I don't blame their choices, but the way their minds work.


I think you need to chill out, lol

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Kagemaru_H said:
I don't blame their choices, but the way their minds work.


You're mind works the exact same way, dude. Except instead of saying Doom sucks, you're saying that people who claim that Doom sucks are completely wrong... Which is pure fanboyism. Not to mention that, according to the article you cited, their minds are working that way because of the choices they made, so you still are blaming their choices.

Remember: gaming is subjective, just like all other media/art. Trying to be objective is what leads to.... well.... shit, fanboyism.

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Okay, I try to explain how fanboyism works and you all automatically think I'm attacking fanboyism. You people need to chill.

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DuckReconMajor said:
Is he full HD?


Yes.


Krispavera said:


Featuring DX11 exclusive tessellation?



No.

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No.
He needs to get with the times.

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Apparently he's waiting for it to be stable before he upgrades.

As long as his SLI still fits snugly I'm fine with him only being a 10.

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A really big part of gaming for me is nostalgia. It's almost sad to say that many great childhood memories revolved around playing video games. I remember being in absolute awe of the superior graphics of the Amiga 500. Shadow of the Beast was breath taking, and still is, even though the gameplay was subpar. However, when I got fully into PC gaming in the early 90's, I had to put up with some much less flashy graphics. It was around this time that I began touting gameplay as the most important aspect. By the time N64 and Playstation came out, and everything made the switch to full 3D, I was unimpressed. "These games aren't as fun as the older ones, for the most part," was my thought process.

Once I grew up I didn't play games nearly as much. But over the last couple of years I've been taking a "nostalgic journey" and I find that I have almost zero interest in the latest games. I understand completely that this is my own bias, and not reflective of what is "better." It's because of these reasons that I prefer looking at an old VGA game rather than the lastest Call of Duty. Games don't have good music any more, either. Where am I going with this? I don't know. But I know that I still play Doom.

Boy, that was quite a ramble.

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Kagemaru_H said:
Okay, I try to explain how fanboyism works and you all automatically think I'm attacking fanboyism.
To explain fanboyism without attacking it is like explaining anatomy without dissecting a dead rat - can't be done. ;-)

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I was just playing GoldenEye today and was thinking about Halo. I respect it for being a decent shooter, but there seems to only be two kinds of people who even know about it: People who think it's the best FPS in the universe and it obliterates all other FPS and those who somehow have a burning hatred for it. I fall in the fairly small gray area, which also includes Maddox, if you'll read his XBox review from 2003 (He said Halo is a decent game, but it's not the best FPS - he said it's Half-Life). I'd say the best FPS is doom is because not only is it the most flexible and easily moddable 3D Game, but it's the most portable due to its low system requirements (Hell, play it on your Sega Genesis for all I care), and has technology that surpasses Wolfenstein and Blake Stone. In the end, even with all this technology outdated, it's still a hell of a game. I don't treat it like it saved me in a car crash or baked me cookies, I just treat it like the game that intensified my interest in the FPS genre.

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The point can be the graphics, the point can be the gameplay, the point can be release date, and the point can be to win. You choose! MuHAhAahaHahaHaA You may even choose to lose...so long as I win. MuHAHAhAhAahaHa
Oh, and one more MuahaHahaHAHAahaHaH just for safe measure.

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my good friend bob won't play games that are even 2 years old and laughs at me when ever i occasionally try to convince him to check out doom again.
his reason is basically a lack of free time.
he only has enough time to play the newest games and when i tell him he is wasting his time because most new games suck (are rehashes of older and better gameplay and/or are over-simplified to appeal to a wider demographic) he can't understand what i'm talking about.
and then i say, "heh, and you call yourself a gamer."
but who is really wasting time?
the person who plays the new and simpler games or the person who is re-playing the great games of the past numerous times?
the world may never know.

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"Regardless, perhaps someday, we will stop talking of our game systems like Vietnam War platoon mates and start treating them like the mass-produced chunks of plastic and silicon that they are."

nuff said...

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sgtcrispy said:
"Regardless, perhaps someday, we will stop talking of our game systems like Vietnam War platoon mates and start treating them like the mass-produced chunks of plastic and silicon that they are."

nuff said...

But it's not that. We treasure games because they are not a hunk of plastic. We treat them like movies, art and music. A testament to it's time. The pushing of boundaries, the feelings it generates.

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