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Gez said:
Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3
* Metascore: 89
* User: 3.2



Question is, how much of that user score is comprised of legitimate ratings and reviews, and how much of it is just "lol samebad 0/10". A lot of the bad reviews seem to be leaning strongly toward the latter.

I also like how all of the reviews that don't paint the game as satan incarnate are getting downvoted into oblivion.

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lol i remember that. Now that I think about it though it's probably closer to what Battlefield ended up being.

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Xeros612 said:


Question is, how much of that user score is comprised of legitimate ratings and reviews, and how much of it is just "lol samebad 0/10". A lot of the bad reviews seem to be leaning strongly toward the latter.

I also like how all of the reviews that don't paint the game as satan incarnate are getting downvoted into oblivion.



Too, most of those are most likely battlefield fanboys, seeing as how their cute lil tiffs usually happen.

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Who cares? User scores will almost always be lower because they're actually attaching a price to the value of the game. I'm sure many of the user scores are not legitimate but CoD deserves most of the shit it receives.

The SP is vapid and the MP hardly warrants $60, especially on PC. Those low user scores are counter-acting the pure idiocy of the CoD fans spending money on those titles. People complain about how shitty FPS games are becoming and how dumbed down shit is-- and then wonder why.

It isn't hard to release a game every year when the SP is so short and the MP is basically marginally improved over the last iteration. When Doom 4 features all of a 6 hour SP campaign, complete with cover-based mechanics, I'm going to be fucking pissed. Wouldn't surprise me. Fear 3 was nothing like Fear or Fear 2. I felt like I was playing CoD with a little girl running around making sour faces at me.

Pretty sure the Activision-Blizzard cash cow doesn't need anyone to defend it.

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I'll pick the game up at some point. I've really enjoyed the Modern Warfare campaigns so far, and I did get into MW2 team deathmatch with a friend for a while there. While I'd imagine MW3 doesn't really bring anything new to the table as far as multi-player, I personally find the single player games a thrilling experience.

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pritch said:
Are you buying MW3?
No, I stay with my old Call of Duty 1. They should come back to the roots of COD!

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This may be somewhat of a bad analogy, but I view CoD games in much the same way that I view other yearly games like Madden or Fifa or something. They have to come out with a new one every year, so much of the game features are recycled, with a new coat of paint in the form of new textures and sprites. Plus all these "real life" war type of games aren't as interesting to me as a game with a good futuristic or fantasy/magical setting. Of course I don't like sports games either, so you could easily call me biased on both accounts. My favorite sports game was Arch Rivals in the arcade, because you could punch people to get the ball from them. Totally unrealistic but fun.

On the subject of Fear, honestly I didn't much care for even the first one. The levels all looked the same to me, just office after office after office with the only differences being a computer or desk was in a different spot from one room to another. But it's been years since I played it so maybe I'm being too harsh.

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Vordakk said:On the subject of Fear, honestly I didn't much care for even the first one. The levels all looked the same to me, just office after office after office with the only differences being a computer or desk was in a different spot from one room to another. But it's been years since I played it so maybe I'm being too harsh.


No, you're not being too harsh at all. The level design in Fear was horrible. Still, I really liked it at the time. Fear has not aged very well, imo but it is definitely worth playing completely once.

I did not purchase Fear 2 when it came out. I purchased it on a Steam sale leading up to the release of Fear 3, and I was amazed how much I liked Fear 2. I read Fear 3 was supposed to be the conclusion to the main story-line, so I picked that up on release and it sucked so bad. One of the few times I've ever purchased a game and wanted a complete refund.

As for why Fear 3 sucks... because it plays like CoD. A bland, scripted, cover-based, slow, regenerating health, achievements popping up every 30 seconds breaking immersion, barely 8 hour campaign PoS. The worst part is it wasn't even remotely unnerving (not even the pop out in front of you scares) and the story ending sucked.

Now, CoD is not necessarily a bad game. People like it and I respect that. I do not like it and I will call it a bunch of bad names but it doesn't change the fact Activision basically has a license to print money with that franchise and there are certainly worse games out there. CoD does MP very well but I only ever do FPS MP in small doses. If people like it, cool. The success of CoD only makes me bitter because so many other companies try to mimic it or dumb their games down because that is where the money is or whatever.

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Sig-ma said:

I was amazed how much I liked Fear 2.



I might have to check it out then. I've never played anything after Fear 1 and it's expansion Extraction Point. I bet Fear 2 is being sold dirt cheap by now.

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There is a demo for Fear 2 on Steam. If you do decide to purchase it, make sure you buy the Fear Collection. For whatever reason, both Fear 2 and the Fear Collection cost the same ($19.99). The Fear Collection comes with Fear, Fear: Extraction Point (expansion), Fear: Perseus Mandate (expansion), Fear 2 and Fear 2: Reborn (DLC).

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The first Fear and its expansions, all of which I've played for the first time only a couple of months ago, instantly became my personal favs. The combat mechanics are really well designed and I disagree about the levels being 'horrible'. So it's an office building/research facility most of the time. Works for me, and works even more so for the AI and gameplay.

It's also just about the only game I've ever seen where a 5 second firefight results in so much smoke you can't see shit across the room.

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buying? from activision? are you kidding me?

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I'll second the FEAR collection idea (wish it was out when I bought FEAR Gold Edition or Golden Shooter edition or whatever the hell they called the pack with just the first game and its proper sequels[the expansions]). Either way, make sure you aren't buying FEAR 2: Reborn separately in any manner. 1 hour ain't worth $9.99.

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The Cynical brit has posted his thoughts on the PC version, and they are rather bad:



It appears that the PC version is a bad port, with there being auto-aim even on the PC and with the field of view being crap.

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No way. Although, I've heard that it's basically just MW2 with better graphics, and that's coming from people who loved MW2 and Black Ops.

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I'm going to run with this thread and say that gaming journalism has a severe issue we in education call "Grade Inflation". I don't see this problem with film critics nearly as much and it seems to be unique to gaming.

One of the major gaming websites needs to actually spend more than 30 seconds devising a rating system... design a rubric of some kind to actually fucking rate things. I think part of the problem is the reviewers are not knowledgeable enough to rate games. Critics of Movies/Art/Music, many times, have a background in the history and development of those mediums. Game critics are just "Durr I liek teh gamez... can I write about teh gamez?" Their reviews are devoid of critiques about the medium besides things like "It is short" "It is Fun" "It looks gud".

Let's quote some segments of the joystiq review...

Just an experience, with a six-hour (or so) campaign, a deep and compelling multiplayer match system, and a set of co-op missions paired with a survival mode.

Unfortunately, Modern Warfare 3's story still doesn't hold much water

Still, the unbelievable amount of resources that went into the game can't help but give rise to an important question: Could Modern Warfare 3 have been even better?

4/5


The whole article reads like a laundry list "You can shoot people this way, you can shoot people that way, it has these maps..." I wrote the cacowards stuff for years... and I'm a terrible writer... but I'm not getting paid for this shit. These people do... and they are no better than myself or any other newstuff reviewer!

My argument might be boiled down to this... Gaming journalists need to either know more about their subject matter (not just "I play games and like them"), or they need to develop a rubric like the one I wrote about here. Pick 5 categories and score them 1-5. and when awarding '5's, that doesn't mean "it's good" it means, "beyond what is expected/98%tile". Yes... this means that... there might only be 1 or 2 games a YEAR that score a 5 in a category. When teaching, I often only give 1-2 highest grades, and much more 3s.

Let's extend this post... let's make a rubric here...
* Graphics (compared to other games when it was released)
* Concept (Was it a novel idea when it was released)
* "Fun-ness" (How fun is this game to play)
* Story/Narrative (Does it engage the player and make you want to know what happens next?)
* Presentation (How "complete" does it feel, does everything feel cohesive?)

I think those are 5 very important areas of a game (some might want music/sounds... but I wrapped those with presentation). Now... let's rate MW3... (3,2,4,2,4=15/25) so 15/25... a decent score to apply to something. The game is fun, the presentation is solid... but those are the only things it has as a standout. If I gave a student that score, that would mean they are doing well, meeting the standards set by the state, but they wouldn't be gifted. Some might argue the presentation is a 5, fun is a 5... fine, whatever, so it's 17/25 still average. You could apply this rubric now to ANY game and get a much more accurate comparison of games across genres.

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I always found video game reviews to be really weird too. Especially because most of them are like "this game is great but the graphics could be better" similar to the arguments hardcore_ gamer was posting about the various ports of rage suffering from the same texture popping problems.

It seems every game that ever comes out is universally great all the time. Even games like Duke Nukem Forever, while didn't receive wonderful ratings, many people argued that the game isn't bad, it's average. I can't really take anyone's word for it when this generation of gamers always has an "everyone is a winner" attitude. When people are reviewing games, what are they comparing to? So what if a game is fun to play? It's practically a mathematical formula now. So what if you can get immersed in the story? Video games from 20 years ago could do that same thing, and half of them are free. These types of reviews are hindering progress.

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Am I buying it? No.

What do I think? Not worth it for playing a mediocre game with shiny graphics. I'll stick to Skyrim for the 'new games' thing for now. Until I can afford a PS3 and some game for that, which still won't last long.

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I just bought Dino D-Day, so I'm good when it comes too new games. Maybe I'll buy it for the Wii in a year or two.

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NO, not interested in COD. Would rather play Arma or Operation Flshpoint if I were going for 'real-life'.



Belial said:
The first Fear and its expansions, all of which I've played for the first time only a couple of months ago, instantly became my personal favs. The combat mechanics are really well designed and I disagree about the levels being 'horrible'. So it's an office building/research facility most of the time. Works for me, and works even more so for the AI and gameplay.

It's also just about the only game I've ever seen where a 5 second firefight results in so much smoke you can't see shit across the room.



I recently re-installed FEAR, and was playing the CO-OP Warfare mod, absolutely intense!

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