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Sodaholic said:
I'd like as many extra supplies as possible though, as long as it isn't redundant (I don't exactly need two copies of Kickstart 1.3, since it's the same thing) (but at the same time, I don't exactly mind more than one RAM extension ;)).
I wouldn't mind another RAM expansion myself, should we start a bidding war? ;-)

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Update:
Booted up KS and WB 1.3 with and without mem modules.

No modules : 349664 free memory
one module : 2446640 free memory
two modules : 4543616 free memory

Now I need to test out which disks actually still work.
I'm not sure I have a working original WB 1.3 disk.
EDIT: Found a working one
The one I'm using was one I personalized a few years ago.
It works fine, but it's not the original.

I also have 1.1 and 1.2 disks here and 1.2 beta and gamma disks.
Have a slew of games and software too.

EDIT: beta 2 and gamma 1 kickstarts work, but workbenches seem rejected. Maybe someone knows whats up with them.

Just need to test some out.

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Randy87 said:
No modules : 349664 free memory
Which means it has the 256k trapdoor expansion, is that one or both of them?

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one or both of what?

EDIT: Right, the other amiga. 372808

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Before anyone else does, I claim the working monitor and the games. :P But no seriously, I was offered this stuff first, and I have a really low budget, so I dunno. Besides, I know there are (surprisingly) many electronic repair shops that still take care of CRTs! The broken one could be fixed, but I don't want to go through the hassle of more money spent, so I prefer the already working one.

By the way, Could I have a list of what games you've got?

Also, if it's enough to run most games, I suppose one RAM addon is enough for me, if Greyghost is actually serious about wanting that other one.

I just ask that you please keep this a free giveaway, I can't spend more than 35 dollars.

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Sodaholic said:
I suppose one RAM addon is enough for me, if Greyghost is actually serious about wanting that other one.
I'm half-serious at the moment, and (provided postage to Australia doesn't force me to auction a kidney on eBay) I'll gladly accept one if offered.

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About floppies:

In general, DD double density drives (720 KB on the PC) should not be considered forward-compatible with HD high density ones (1440 KB on the PC). The media on higher density floppies needs stronger magnetization and cannot be written/erased reliably by lower-density drives, which expect a weaker magnetization.

Even if you take a pristine HD disk that has never been formatted and you manage to force-format it down to the lower capacity (it's possible, with some tricks that involve covering holes), and even if you apparently manage to write data to it, it may not be reliable in the future or on other drives. A used HD disk may not even be low-level formattable in some older DD drives.

Now THAT being said.... in practice, at some point in the past (early 90s?) they simply stopped using different media for DD and HD floppies to cut down on costs since DD were a dying breed, to the point that you could OVERFORMAT many so-called "DD" floppies to HD, and gaining double capacity "for free", so this discussion is pretty much moot.

For all effects and purposes, you can simply use HD floppies as DD just by covering the "high density" hole (the one without a movable write-protect tab). You need to do this because some DD drives DID check for the hole and refused to work with "HD" media.

As for Amiga floppies being unreadable in the PC...that's sadly true: the Amiga had a much more flexible floppy disk driver controller that used a lot of tricks such as variable sector length, zero track/sector-gaps, etc. which resulted in slightly larger capacities (e.g. 880 KB on a DD floppy, 1760 on a HD one). It was even able to read the infamous 400K and 800K Macintosh variable spindle-speed floppies, even when Apple stopped supporting the format (damn...that must have stung Apple users pretty badly, back in the day).

Now, Amiga games pretty used their own custom floppy formats and tricks resulting in weird capacities such as 910 KB etc. as part of their copy protection, so strictly speaking there's no well-defined "Amiga floppy format". You simply have an almost infinitely flexible controller that write to a floppy in a myriad different ways (and oh boy, they DID just that, back in the day).

You may only read/write them on the PC if you get a super-specialized piece of hardware like the CatWeasel controller.

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Floppies were the shit back in the 80's and early 90's, but now I think they're more trouble than it's worth. They're unreliable, slow, and it's a PITA to swap disks on later games that took up like 5 floppies plus maybe one more for saved games (example: Might & Magic III). That's one of the reasons I bought a HD for my A500 in 1992. ;) Sadly I soon came to find out not that many Amiga games are HD-installable, but it was still very handy for stuff like Workbench, Deluxe Paint, etc. Well at least now there is the WHDLoad hack...

So, uh does anyone have an A3000 or A4000 just taking up space that they want to give away? ;)

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hex11 said:
They're unreliable, slow


Floppy manufacturing quality is a formidable issue all by itself. The ultimate quality peak were probably Verbatim's Teflon-cated DataLife floppies (those with the golden latch).

Simply indestructible, never had one of those display as much as a bad sector after years of use, and some are perfectly readable/writable/reliable for daily use even 20 years later. Of course they were quire premium-priced even back then, but totally worth it. Even much "lesser" floppies from that era are still quite reliable, even some DD-hacked-into-HD ones.

OTOH floppies made near the end of 2000 and any made after that year tend to be flaky pieces of crap that often crapped out after a SINGLE use. That, combined with Windows' XP (and afterwards) tendency to corrupt the FAT quite easily and somehow managing to "unformat" floppies for no apparent reason (to the point of rendering them unformattable without using special utilities), ultimately led many people to believe that floppies are way more unreliable.

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Haven't met an unformattable disk that didn't respond to a couple of passes under the bulk eraser.


hex11 said:
They're unreliable, slow, and it's a PITA to swap disks on later games that took up like 5 floppies plus maybe one more for saved games (example: Might & Magic III). That's one of the reasons I bought a HD for my A500 in 1992. ;)
There's no way I would have played Monkey Island 2 (11 disks) without a hard drive.

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GreyGhost said:
Haven't met an unformattable disk that didn't respond to a couple of passes under the bulk eraser.


I'm talking more about a Windows-XP specific stubborness/tendency to corrupt disks. It's so bad that it even led some poor soul to develop a disk formatting utility specifically to get past it. He has a point though - I never encountered this apparently random tendency to "reset" floppies before Windows XP on Windows, and never on *nix, MacOS or even DOS. This is much more evident when in a double-boot confif e.g. Ubuntu is able to use a floppy with no problems, but as soon as you type "dir" twice under XP, it's rendered unreadable (until you manage to unfuck it somehow).

Incidentally, the guy also released, among others, a guide to downformat HD disks to DD and related utilities (format720). For me, taping them and using

code:
format A: /n:40 /t:9


did the trick even under XP, where the /720K flag was removed.

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It's mostly PC disks I've repaired that way, the old eraser's designed for reel-to-reel tapes and is probably one of my better $5 purchases.

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There are two big boxes of discs here (a lot of it is porn dated late 80's and early 90's).
I don't know which of these discs are games by their titles, but here are some of the discs.
Battle Squadron
Arkanoid
Marauder and Marauder II
Sealance
Blitztank
Jet
Rings of Zon
Dpaint 2
Starcross
Superkit maybe?
Battlehawks 1942
Cyberblast
Star Trek
Falcon - Operation Counterstrike
Tetris
A Mind Forever Voyaging
Their Finest Hour, The Battle of Britain
Marble Madness
Falcon
Distant Suns
Digi-paint 3
Bad Dudes
Test Drive
Death Sword
Hack
Skyfox
New York Warriors
A10 Tank Killer
Strike Aces
World Tour Golf
Arctic Fox
Scribble
Some game creation kits
Assembler/Basic/C stuff

I'm not sure which discs still function and I'm not testing them all.
If any interest you I can pop them in and see if they work. (with different mem expansion combos if you wish)

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I'm able to afford shipping now. Mind weighing the package? I am interested in getting the monitor for sure.

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