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Lol, like he ever read the bible.

Christianity: The religion where ninety percent of it's members fail to read the rule book.



"It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the Kingdom of Heaven." --Luke 18:25

That pretty much counts the whole Christian Right out straight away.

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Look, I don't mind people practicing whatever religion they want to, but being anti-evolution just means you're being a belligerent idiot. Even my religious friends agree.

Being anti-abortion probably means the person is against women's rights, and being anti-vaccination means he doesn't know a fucking thing about modern medicine.

You can love Ron Paul all you want from halfway across the globe, but the truth of the matter is that he'd be a terrible leader for our country. He's essentially a libertarian, and their viewpoint is pretty much that everyone should be able to survive on their own, and anyone who can't deserves to die, which is a bunch of objectivist bullshit. That's exactly the kind of thinking that's ruining our country right now, and we don't need any more of it.



Exactly.

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Kim Jong's best.

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Woolie Wool said:
"It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the Kingdom of Heaven." --Luke 18:25

That pretty much counts the whole Christian Right out straight away.

But you're reading that passage out of context!

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DeathevokatioN said:

What fairytale you believe, whether it is evolution or Christianity, is far from the be all and end all of running a country, I wish that some of the more elitist "free thinking" athiest hipsters would stop and think a bit before behaving with the same fervency of the Christians they denounce and just come to accept that people are still entitled to their beliefs no matter how far fetched YOU think they are. It's people like you who make liberals look bad by conforming to the sweepingly broad generalization: "Liberals claim to want to hear other people's views but then are shocked to hear that there are other views" :)



Because political positions are not about the people in office, but rather their actions, I care about what they believe. Allowing states to "pick" what to teach our children is as effective as establishing creationism as a science, when it should be relegated to religious studies where the rest of modern mythology belongs. Large states such as Texas would take hold of the textbook industry, and without regulations, FEDERAL regulations, on class material, we'd be looking at little Jimmy coming home talking about how the Earth is 6000 years old. Forgive me for wanting to preserve what little bit of factual knowledge our education system is able to siphon into our younger generations as it stands.

Plus, anyone who dismisses climate change as a hoax is either being paid off or completely out of touch.


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Ron Paul said that until there was absolute evidence of either Christianity being proven or evolution being proven that he would choose to follow his faith, he worded it diplomatically and I can respect that. That is, just like, his opinion bro. He also clearly stated on a lot of occasions that he doesn't like people forcing beliefs down other people's throats, again, I really agree with him here, and likewise his campaign hasn't revolved around some religious war like the other retarded Republicans have. And besides what good is being a pro evolutionist when your also a useless corrupt corporate hack who wins a nobel peace prize and then bombs 3 countries and has sent national debts skyrocketing higher than any other president with ridiculous spending policies? As far as I'm concerned, Obama served a third term for George Bush, and he should serve his fourth term in jail.


Just wait, we can just let anyone use whatever they want for money and our economy will totally improve![/sarcasm] While I can't say for certain just what effect his ideas would have on the economy, I would bet that they aren't some magical cure. I'm not even going to respond to the sensationalist attacks toward Obama. I'm not a huge supporter of his and I don't believe in everything he does, but he's a damn sight better for the country than anyone on the right. Also, jail, seriously?


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And who are we to decide who lives and who dies? But judging from past topics I've read over here I guess asking this question on this forum is suicide. :P In all seriousness though I recall Ron Paul saying that this would ultimately be "best handled at the state level". So in other words if he got elected president, he'd let the states decide individually whether they wanted abortion or not. Again, sounds fair to me. So maybe you should do more research?


Huh, sounds almost exactly like how it is now. Of course, I've only written a medical ethics research paper on the subject over the past few months. I probably haven't done nearly as much research as you have on it. I certainly don't know anything about past legislature like the Sanctity of Life Act which seeks to, y'know, make abortion not a state issue at all.

Also, insofar as allowing states to outlaw abortion, let me lead you to the nearest closet and we can get a collection of nice metal hangers for all the girls who now can't get abortions and "need" to get rid of that baby. Don't worry about them! They shouldn't have gotten pregnant in the first place, so now they have to pay the price. Your stance on whether abortion is moral or not is irrelevant in this case. Whether or not you think it should be done, the fact remains that not allowing trained, regulated physicians to perform it is a bad idea.


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With the anti vaccination thing I'm not going to try argue that because I don't know enough about it. But I'm guessing this is probably also going to be state handled like the policy of abortion.


Again, not a state issue. Vaccines are a medical necessity in this day and age.


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His strong points that I mentioned in my first reply are why I'm a supporter of him though, he seems like the only candidate that isn't a corporate sellout, and I really wish South Africa had a politician like him.


Every politician is in bed with corporate America. Don't fool yourself into thinking that he's the exception.

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"It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the Kingdom of Heaven." --Luke 18:25

That pretty much counts the whole Christian Right out straight away.

That proverb sounds so random. How would a camel ever pass through a needle eye? It would make more sense if the words meant something else in the original writing.

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How would a camel ever pass through a needle eye?

That is the point entirely. Hence you should strive to be as poor and humble as possible so that the almighty Lord may see only the good in your heart and none of the greed that would turn you to the selfish path of damnation.


Yes, it's all a crock of shit.

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I've heard that the "eye of the needle" actually referred to an actual existing alley in the town where that part of the bible was written that was narrow; a rich person with a lot of shit on their camel would not be able to make it thru because their camel would be too wide.

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I actually have a great deal of respect for Ron Paul / Rand Paul (this is coming from a stone-cold liberal). Even if I don't really agree with their idea that the free market is capable of taking care of itself with no government regulation whatsoever, they are some of the few politicians I actually trust, because they actually walk the walk when it comes to small government (like opposing SOPA or the latest defense bill).

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DeathevokatioN said:
What fairytale you believe, whether it is evolution or Christianity, is far from the be all and end all of running a country, I wish that some of the more elitist "free thinking" athiest hipsters would stop and think a bit before behaving with the same fervency of the Christians they denounce and just come to accept that people are still entitled to their beliefs no matter how far fetched YOU think they are. It's people like you who make liberals look bad by conforming to the sweepingly broad generalization: "Liberals claim to want to hear other people's views but then are shocked to hear that there are other views" :)

I am personally very much willing to live and let live. I do not care and I do not mind that people believe odd things. However, it's not the case that particular people are running for office and that they just happen to be of a particular faith. They are running ON THAT, and they will be elected because of it. And when people that have such beliefs hold office they have a very strong tendency to legislate, and do things with that very much in mind.

Christians are the majority, they have every right for their qualms and concerns to be looked at, and even dealt with. But not at the expense of the minority.


Ron Paul said that until there was absolute evidence of either Christianity being proven or evolution being proven that he would choose to follow his faith


HAHA, and ron paul is supposed to be a doctor. I hope for the sake of his faith he has never prescribed modern medicine to anyone. Modern bio-medical science would not exist if our understanding of evolution was wrong, or if evolution was a complete farce. For him to try and attempt to be an intellectual, and as a doctor no less, to say such a thing speaks volumes.

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Yeah, evolution has been proven right. Many times. All over the world. Anybody who claims otherwise is willfully ignorant.

Even the goddamn Catholic Church has accepted evolution. But they're too progressive for the American Religious Right (who believes that the Pope is the Antichrist anyway).

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Even the goddamn Catholic Church has accepted evolution. But they're too progressive for the American Religious Right (who believes that the Pope is the Antichrist anyway).

While true, it's funny because the catholic church itself is still as stubborn and anachronistic as one could imagine.

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I've heard that the "eye of the needle" actually referred to an actual existing alley in the town where that part of the bible was written that was narrow; a rich person with a lot of shit on their camel would not be able to make it thru because their camel would be too wide.


You're overthinking it waaaay too much. It's just a really poetic way of saying "God hates money".

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Yeah, evolution has been proven right.
This very thread is a standing example.

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Reason I'd vote for Ron Paul is because he is one of the first totally honest politicians I have ever seen, he is 100% for America and Americans and so are his policies. Ron Paul > Zionist puppets America has had for the past 50 years.

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I can't help but feel that a Ron Paul campaign and election would wind up just like Obama's - a lot of people clinging to this insane hope that, hey! This dude'll be totally different than the rest! Then his presidency would bring everyone back to reality.

Their supporters are mirror images of each other when you consider their level of loyalty and hope.

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If he dead, that's both good and bad news.

Good news: It can gives a chance for people to have revolution.
Bad news: The new leader is a horrible person who control nuclear rockets.

Hope the North Koreans may do its best to stop him.

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Woolie Wool said:


"It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the Kingdom of Heaven." --Luke 18:25

That pretty much counts the whole Christian Right out straight away.


If you want a good laugh, check out how Conservapedia's "Bible project" deals with this.

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Mr. T said:
I've heard that the "eye of the needle" actually referred to an actual existing alley in the town where that part of the bible was written that was narrow; a rich person with a lot of shit on their camel would not be able to make it thru because their camel would be too wide.
There's actually a much more plausible explanation for the (rather bizarre) phrase:

Some claim that "camel" is a Greek misprint; that kamêlos (camel) was a misprint of kamilos, meaning "rope" or "cable".

Which leads to:

"It is easier for a rope to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God."


There's some more discussion about it here. Apparently in Aramaic the word "gamla" means both camel and rope, probably because camel hair was used to make ropes. But apparently some older Jewish literature uses a similar analogy with an elephant instead of a camel, so it's possible it's completely intentional.

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