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Membrain
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DeathevokatioN said:
Yeah, maybe I am judging too soon over some bottom of the barrel comments then, and if so I apologize. But I have seen a lot of fanboys who argue that Obama is someone who had honest intentions and blame all his incompetence and decisions on his limitations as a president and on the Republicans opposition to what Obama "stands for", and not the guy himself. And worse yet people like Csonicgo turn a blind eye when topics like the Middle East pop up.

Most of us here are not part of this fanbase you hate so much, and half of the reason you're getting the replies you are is because you're doing your best to lump us in there AND insult us at the same time. The most fervent response given to how horrible Obama is was that he got bought out and half-assed everything he promised, if it got done at all.

The main issue with your stance is that you treat the presidency as a one-man party. The President is not able to do anything by himself. He can contribute to legislature in many ways, but without the backing of Congress(Wall Street), he's next to powerless. So no matter who gets in, you're still going to have the same old shit happen.

DeathevokatioN said:
Do you guys have anyone else to run for the democrats other than Obama, who isn't a politician bought by Wall Street? I'd like to know because I'll support him if he comes along, because in principle I agree with a lot of the democrats policies but Obama just seems to be following in Bush's footsteps.

Doubtful. American politics rely on the parties keeping internal conflicts fairly gentle around this season. If there's ever going to be change, it'll come from an independent.

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Membrain said:

American politics rely on the parties keeping internal conflicts fairly gentle around this season. If there's ever going to be change, it'll come from an independent.

And other democracies in practice. The timing of the troop withdrawals (which I'm glad for the troops and their families), IMO, are cynically planned policy (before elections in 2012) to keep the backers of whatever party in charge. Party politics is showbiz, while realpolitik is being done under the surface.

edit: rest of my post was way off topic, so removed :-)

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And what about Obama attending Jeremiah Wright's church for 20 years? Guess that's cool because although Wright is clearly a bigot, it's aimed at evil Whitey, which makes it okay.

Yep, double standards at best. I guess I should just come to terms that I won't see eye to eye with any liberals outside of South Africa when it comes to politics. :)

Another thing that's questionable and alarming is that an Israeli defense firm is tallying the Iowa votes in secret.. makes me wonder if America really might be an elected dictatorship?

http://poorrichards-blog.blogspot.c...llies-iowa.html

and,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKCc5SYCisQ

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Whoever wins the 2012 election is going to make a bunch of promises he won't keep, then everyone's going to complain about the fact that he pulled the same move every politician does. In addition, there will, as with every president, be a gradual shift toward whatever idiotic political party is in power. Every few years the general American public shifts between having a liberal attitude, then a conservative one, then back to liberal, etc. It's funny because I don't think most people even notice.

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You know, one (potential) candidate who really intrigues me is actually Gary Johnson. It's odd that I didn't hear all of that much about him until a few days ago, but after researching some, I've come to conclusion that he he's a bit of RP-esque guy without the excess baggage, and as such, the actual person people should be looking at. His only major weakness is his that he's a member of a third party, and as such, not getting nearly the attention he deserves.

Of course, there's still a lot of things about what he says that I disagree with, but the more I look into it, the more I realize that he's probably the candidate that gives me the least amount of unease. Compromises sometimes have to be made, especially with this election.

Thoughts?

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Snakes said:
You know, one (potential) candidate who really intrigues me is actually Gary Johnson. It's odd that I didn't hear all of that much about him until a few days ago, but after researching some, I've come to conclusion that he he's a bit of RP-esque guy without the excess baggage, and as such, the actual person people should be looking at. His only major weakness is his that he's a member of a third party, and as such, not getting nearly the attention he deserves.

Of course, there's still a lot of things about what he says that I disagree with, but the more I look into it, the more I realize that he's probably the candidate that gives me the least amount of unease. Compromises sometimes have to be made, especially with this election.

Thoughts?

Honestly, I like a lot of his social views. I don't agree that removing federal loans from students is good, as many poor/middle-class students are not able to get into school and that leaves a lot of untapped potential, as I explained in another thread. Also, I feel that the second amendment did not call for a lack of gun control, but public access to firearms. The government is not able to handle gun permits as it stands, and there's a lot of people who really don't need concealable arms that have them.

I agree with nearly all of his other points, though. In fact, his views on the Drug War, death penalty, immigration, and marriage law mirror my own.

Fiscally, I don't agree with about 80% of his policies. I don't believe deregulation is what our country needs. Businesses already get away with far too much, and giving them more slack will not make competition more even. There shouldn't be "winners and losers" in a truly competitive market, unless you are aiming for stagnation. Evidenced by his opposition to net neutrality, he appears to believe that companies should be running the net, which I wholeheartedly disagree with.

Nevertheless, he's a bit more consistent with his views (no "Sanctity of Life Act"s in his history) and a little more in line with my own.

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I have been looking at both Gov. Buddy Roemer and Gary Johnson. Those two would make a good ticket. I'd also love to see Jesse Ventura in office just because it be nice to see a president in office that won't take any shit from any one.

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Satyr000 said:
I'd also love to see Jesse Ventura in office just because it be nice to see a president in office that won't take any shit from any one.

I'd vote for any man who starred in both Predator and The Running Man.

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Haha, American media's legitimacy is officially in the toilet.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fMdrwhDoZjQ

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Vordakk said:
I'd vote for any man who starred in both Predator and The Running Man.

gotta change your constitution first to allow arnold and sven-ole run for it.

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Satyr000 said:
I'd also love to see Jesse Ventura in office just because it be nice to see a president in office that won't take any shit from any one.

1. When he was in office he did just that, and didn't take shit from anyone. BUT he never accomplished anything except pissing off the mpls/st paul press. Since he was 3rd party, no one wanted to work with him and he was cock blocked at every move or he just vetoed everything. He somehow managed to get his light rail idea through though, so we can thank him for that.

2. Since leaving office he has become friends with alex jones and is now batshit insane. So, no, he is done.

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Alex Jones seems to make any one that listens to him into an inane, babbling idiot. He seems to be very popular with the 9/11 Truther crowd.

DeathevokatioN said:
Haha, American media's legitimacy is officially in the toilet.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fMdrwhDoZjQ

Because a feed had interference, you immediately jump to conclusions that someone was cutting the feed because... Ron Paul?

Seriously?

Attention, people: There is no conspiracy against Ron Paul.

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Csonicgo said:
Because a feed had interference, you immediately jump to conclusions that someone was cutting the feed because... Ron Paul?

Seriously?

Attention, people: There is no conspiracy against Ron Paul.

This.

This whole "The media is conspiring against Ron Paul!" conspiracy theory bullshit is getting old -fast-. I mean, come on... do you really believe that? All the media wants is a good story. When Ron Paul is a good story, that's what will be on. So far, he's not nearly enough of a nutter to show up on the radar, but not a voice of reason to be used to balance out the crazy, either. So you're not going to see much of him.

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Csonicgo said:
Attention, people: There is no conspiracy against Ron Paul.

Seconded - that makes it official!

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Csonicgo said:

Because a feed had interference, you immediately jump to conclusions that someone was cutting the feed because... Ron Paul?

Seriously?

Yes I am serious, and it has been going on for a lot longer than this. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tb5aGgQXhXo And if after watching this video you haven't caught onto the media's bias trying to ignore Ron Paul then you really are a fucking moron, the only time they ever mention him is when they do a hitpiece on him trying to sway public opinion against him. And then when someone in uniform finally has something sensible to say about why he supports Ron Paul the footage magically cuts out right at the second that he elaborates on his argument on the issue? The truth is that what the soldier had to say would probably take credibility away from media fear mongering smears about how taking the troops out of the middle east would bring the wars back to America, and it'd be easier to explain losing signal than argue against the truth. Even in Ron Paul's CNN interview a week ago, the parts where Paul talked about why we shouldn't engage in these wars were cut out. So yes, it is blatant censoring. It's easy to turn a blind eye when it's a candidate you don't like though. ;)

The media is controlled by Zionazi's who want American soldiers to continue fighting Israel's enemies in the Middle East and the reason they're so afraid of Ron Paul is because he would ACTUALLY take the troops home rather than just paying lip service to the concept, and he would take legitimacy away from the media's fear mongering lies about terrorism that they have been spoonfeeding Americans for the last 10+ years.

I might not agree with all his policies, but he is a voice of reason as far as I'm concerned, it's just a pity he is creationist and isn't "left" enough and doesn't have the stupid liberal spending policies which (alongside pointless wars) have helped drive America's debt to 15 trillion dollars, and continue to drive it to the point of no return, yet you still want to keep big government and wasteful spending? There is no way that the democrats under Obama would be able to work this debt off, especially when he's already provoking another war in the Middle East with Iran... I wonder how long is it going to be before your economy crashes if America carries on in the war mongering direction it already is? But hey, maybe just vote for Obama again and lets find out!

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I wonder how many people are watching these networks now that they've got all this free publicity from this.

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Yeah, I agree. Most major news outlets downplay anything Ron Paul related.

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DeathevokatioN said:
Zionazi

This was the best part of the rant. Nothing else needs to be said.

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Gez said:

This was the best part of the rant. Nothing else needs to be said.

Pretty much. :) Although I know the context that you meant this in, I'll bite.

I called them Zionazi because Israel is run by an American funded Apartheid styled Fascist regime, and although they are a small minority amongst jews, Zionists are just as bigoted and just as extremist as white supremacists are and the more I research into this the more it shows that the Zionist regime in Israel are racist and their treatment to Palestinians have a lot of parallels to the Nazi's who persecuted the jews in WW2.

Although to avoid getting too far off topic, my point about mentioning Zionists in the first place is that the previous 2 American presidents' election campaigns were funded by Zionists who want every Islamic country that "poses a threat" to Israel in the Middle East to get invaded, have their government overthrown in order to break these countries so that Israel can be the super power of the region and expand their territory with their aggressive land-grab border expansions. And I'm starting to sound like a broken record player here, but the very reason that Ron Paul is ignored by the media is because he wants to take American troops out the middle East.

Even Jewish people also (rightfully) protest against Zionism, and these people that are brave enough to speak out about it at the risk of getting kidnapped and killed also include people of high social standings such as holocaust survivors, and rabbis. Jews actually take it a step further and say that the Zionist regime of Israel is more harmful to Jews than Nazis ever were.

Must watch: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e85qiKh_kmg

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Membrain said:

This whole "The media is conspiring against Ron Paul!" conspiracy theory bullshit is getting old -fast-. I mean, come on... do you really believe that?

Given what we've seen of the media in the past 30 years, is it really that hard to believe that they're trying to perpetuate the two-party system in America, which Ron Paul directly threatens? I believe that people like Ron Paul are dangerous to the status quo in part because they highlight the fact that there is very little difference between Republicans and Democrats when it gets right to down to it. The media, like much in this world, is controlled by powerful and wealthy people with political agendas, and these people use the media as a tool to influence popular opinion while simultaneously directing people's attention away from things which they don't want you to ask questions about.

:Cut to an image of the Majestic 12 hand clutching the globe, with Bob Page and Walton Simons standing in front of it:

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You're implying that Ron Paul is threatening. Most of us just see him as a nutter that can't control what's going out with his name on it.

The only reason he got traction at any time is because of his pro-weed and anti-fed stance that got all the proto-"web2.0" users in a circlejerk (see: digg in 2007). He resonated like a bell with truthers and alex jones worshippers.

Then people started digging and realized that they were in the middle of crazytown.

I'll admit, I used to be a Paulbot until I saw people who were supporting him literally say shit like "civil rights should be a states issue" and "taxation is theft". I Immediately became disgusted with the whole movement and made my exit. Looks like it hasn't changed much from the shit it was 5 years ago.

I don't think Paul really shows anything but how crazy politicians could really be. He really didn't need to get any exposure so he could spout his racist, anti-woman bullshit, And if any one here supports that nonsense in the name of "states rights", then you don't need exposure either. Please go back into your holes.

The problem with the libertarian view of federal government is that there are lots of backstabbing mofos that would love to make a theocracy of the former Confederate States, all under the guise of "states rights".

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Csonicgo said:
You're implying that Ron Paul is threatening. Most of us just see him as a nutter that can't control what's going out with his name on it.

My issue with him is his serious speech impediment. The dude is real life porky pig ffs. It's hard to take the guy seriously because whenever he speaks he stumbles over what he's trying to say as though he's nervous as all hell, a perpetual 'deer in the headlights'. He may very well be nervous or have real anxiety problems, but he comes across as being uncertain of and perhaps lacking confidence in himself and his own thoughts and ideas.

People can say, well, it's not the man but the ideas. But if this man were president, he would be put to task to try to get his ideas implemented. He would be faced with people that are very real political bullies. Ron paul is a little wiener that will be easily pushed around by congress. The office of president requires a certain amount of mental stamina and fortitude that he simply doesn't appear to have.

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Quast said:

My issue with him is his serious speech impediment.

How relevant. Yep. So by that logic, is Obama a great president as long as he has his teleprompter working?

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Vordakk said:

How relevant. Yep. So by that logic, is Obama a great president as long as he has his teleprompter working?

Congratulations on your ability to read the first sentence of a post and entirely throw away the elaboration that came after.

However, I don't see Ron Paul as a wimp, really. He's pretty outspoken during debates. I highly doubt a modern-day Roosevelt could get anything done in today's political atmosphere, though, and again, I can't stress enough that the ideas that Paul supports that do have a chance of getting through aren't all that useful to begin with. What few things I agree with him on are unlikely to happen, and I can't see how anyone can ignore the multitude of issues with his policies just because a few of his ideals are favorable.

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Membrain said:

Congratulations on your ability to read the first sentence of a post and entirely throw away the elaboration that came after.

The elaboration that came afterwards wasn't that much better, tbh.

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Csonicgo said:

The only reason he got traction at any time is because of his pro-weed and anti-fed stance that got all the proto-"web2.0" users in a circlejerk (see: digg in 2007). He resonated like a bell with truthers and alex jones worshippers.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...kVfP_story.html

Edit: meh, WP has some anti-linking shit setup. Just follow the link on news.google.com which works w/o registration

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hex11 said:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...kVfP_story.html

Edit: meh, WP has some anti-linking shit setup. Just follow the link on news.google.com which works w/o registration

Oh geez. This sounds familiar, "I promise this! Hey where'd all this money come from???"

Ugh. Politics. :P

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Such a pointless thread seeing as this forum is so one-sided don't even see the point in arguing, ahh well hope you enjoy another 30 years of pointless war in the Middle East, terrorizing and murdering innocent Muslim woman and children in their homeland, another 30 years of fighting Israels holy wars for them.

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Such a pointless thread seeing as this forum is so one-sided don't even see the point in arguing, ahh well hope you enjoy another 30 years of pointless war in the Middle East, terrorizing and murdering innocent Muslim woman and children in their homeland, another 30 years of fighting Israels holy wars for them.

It's not that we're one-sided. It's that we all realize that Ron Paul isn't going to be able to change ANYTHING. But like I said before, I hope he does get elected so we can watch people bitch and moan about all his stupid shit being passed and the few decent ideas he does have get shot down. Because guess what; he's not going to get any more compliance when he is in office than right now.

But it's okay, because he promises to bring home all those soldiers. As if we've never heard that before.

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But it's okay, because he promises to bring home all those soldiers. As if we've never heard that before.

I dunno what to say here, but Ron has been right on a lot of things, even with the media constantly trying to carry out character assassinations against him to try sway public opinion away from him and they have pretty much been spitting in his face for the last 30 years and throughout this time he has remained constant, and to stick to your guns for that amount of time is something quite special. Obama didn't have any history behind him and pretty much came from nowhere, if you look at his campaign donations, 1 third is untracablie, and the bulk of it came from the place that you liberals (rightfully) are protesting against, while Ron Paul's has come from people serving in the army and by everyday people, and it's pretty clear he doesn't have the support of the media. The ideas that people nitpick about Ron Paul I either am indifferent to or are things that I fully agree with... so I guess I'm one of those people Csonicgo was referring to when he said Ron Paul supporters should go back to their caves? :P

I hope that Ron gets elected and proves you wrong and turns out to be an awesome president, or at the very least gets to run against NObama for the position and gets to rip Obama apart at debates. :) But I doubt he'll beat Mit Romney because the Republican caucus is rigged and the votes are counted by an Israeli defense firm in secret. And how else do they suddenly lose system information and have an unelectable Rick Santorium who couldn't pull a crowd of 100 supporters, who gets booed off stage, suddenly shoot up to 24% when polls showed him somewhere in the single digits? And how can someone even willingly vote for an inconsistent and lying flip flopper such as Mitt Romney? If you look it up you'll find that the Republican caucus' have had fraud in the past and the popular candidate has gotten passed up for someone who represents the status quo.

The lobbyists would prefer everyone having to pick between an "incompetent" and bought liberal president and a blood thirsty and bought republican president. And when Obama fucks up, everyone will say yeah but the republicans are 10X worse when in the meantime both sides are sellouts controlled by the same strings. It's really sad actually, when even first world countries are in a declining political state like this.

And btw, all the dislikes on both the videos I've linked to, were made by these guys. :P

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