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hardcore_gamer said:
I know that Americans appear to hate socialism more then Hitler hated the jews,

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hardcore_gamer said:
I personally don't like socialism because I don't like the idea that everybody should be treated the same regardless of circumstances

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hardcore_gamer said:
who decides what equality is?

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hardcore_gamer said:
I personally don't like socialism because I don't like the idea that everybody should be treated the same regardless of circumstances, and I also think that the idea behind socialism is too hard to put into practice (who decides what equality is?)

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hardcore_gamer said:
I know that Americans appear to hate socialism more then Hitler hated the jews...

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Vordakk said:
If that were really true, then Obama(who is essentially a naked Marxist) would've never gotten elected. There has always been a fervent sector of the American populous that has trended toward Socialism. Most Americans are quick to forget history, while the younger generations fail to properly learn history, so it makes total sense that ideas like Socialism which have been shot down before would re-emerge.

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Technician said:
You've fallen for Vordakk's trap card, dew.

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Maes said:
a citizen of the USSR or East Germany or Bulgaria when they were at their peak.

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Vordakk said:
Most Americans are quick to forget history, while the younger generations fail to properly learn history, so it makes total sense that ideas like Socialism which have been shot down before would re-emerge.

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Vordakk said:
Obama(who is essentially a naked Marxist)

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Grazza said:
So how many people from those countries when they were at their alleged "peak" have you spoken to?

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dew said:

you, sir, know FUCKING NADA about world politics. you are closeted in your local americanized view and your usage of big words is completely wrong. marxist? GET THE FUCK OUT, YOU FUCKING MORON. not even left-wingers in my country are marxist, you dumb fuck... and on the overall scale, even our right-wingers are about on par with obama. so cut the crap, or i will taunt you a second time.

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Vordakk said:
Did I strike a nerve, dew? Judging from the hastily-scrawled profanity, I'd say that I did. You forget to jerk off today?

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Grazza said:
dew's final eight words show otherwise. Presumably you didn't get the reference.

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Vordakk said:
Obama(who is essentially a naked Marxist)

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Csonicgo said:
Socialism means I can eat this:
[hamburger]

Without getting this:
[death]

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Phobus said:
Thing is, with the carrot of personal gain being dangled over our heads, the idea of everybody being equal doesn't really appeal to most people.

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Phobus said:
I know I personally would rather take my chances in modern day Britain, with equally realistic chances of becoming utterly destitute and fabulously rich, than live my whole life knowing I'll never stand a chance of really advancing.

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Maes said:


Hmmm... I dunno...some medical doctors would definitively want a word with you about that, let alone that if you don't have insurance you get that undesired outcome anyway ;-)

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Vordakk said:


If that were really true, then Obama(who is essentially a naked Marxist) would've never gotten elected.

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Vordakk said:


Did I strike a nerve, dew? Judging from the hastily-scrawled profanity, I'd say that I did. You forget to jerk off today?

Anyways, I could care less if you think you're so much more informed than I am about "world politics". I have just as much right to comment in this thread as you do. If you want I can PM you my address and you can come and tell me to GTFO in person since you're such a tough guy.

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Violator said:


So god damn true

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Maes said:


This is "favoritism", "nepotism" etc. and is by no means exclusive to socilasim: a lot of "capitalism" economies have this built-in, much more in the public sector but also in some areas of the private sectors, where connections and who you are count more than what your ambitions or your skills.

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Maes said:

An engineer in the 60s could count on almost immediate hiring by a major industry as soon as he graduated (and was approached even before he finished all exams or finalized his dissertation).

Today, the average graduate is clearly overqualified for what the job market has to offer: the norm is working odd jobs, being paid "under the counter" without a permanent or even a determined-time work contract (outside contractors are preferred, because the employed can stop worrying about registering with social security) etc. and the future doesn't seem any better.

No wonder that many people today (includign me) would gladly shit on that -inexistent- carrot for the sake of a minimum guaranteed income and a modicum of social welfare, instead of this fucked up free-for-all. The problem is that there's no carrot dangled at all anymore: just the whip.

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Csonicgo said:


You guys really don't know what Marxism is, do you?

I mean, come on, there's trolling, but I'm starting to worry about some of you. Is a book kryptonite to some of you guys? Have you actually read and actually understood some of Marx's views on anything? I'm sure you wouldn't be spouting this bullshit if you did.

In before "but csonig, the nordic model is a failure!"

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Vordakk said:
ITT:

1. Only liberals are well-read (true story).

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Vordakk said:

2. Amerikkkans are behind the curve because they're not socialist enough.

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Vordakk said:

3. Being patriotic is cool if you're Swedish, if you're Amerikkkan it proves your ignorance.

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Violator said:


He is paving the way for a Marxist America and is slowly taking away Americans freedom and rights little by little, Democrat and Republic political parties are all puppets of the Marxist sweep over America and are all in the scoop, there is plenty of disturbing evidence to back up my argument. I wouldn't directly call him a "Naked Marxist" yet but he sure is working for the bankers.

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