Mr. T said:
And clothes? Blah blah blah it's my RIGHT to wear a miniskirt and pretty much show my tits. Put some fucking clothes on woman. Get some class.
If you got gangfucked in the ass, and all everyone said afterwards was "Maybe you shouldn't have dressed that way" it'd probably be pretty shitty, wouldn't it?
Dressing slutty and dressing nice can have the exact same effect on an attractive person. The end of the day it's excusing people that can't control themselves and putting blame on the victim.
edit: Oh, noone's even discussing the topic anymore, just getting troll baited.
Rape is no good. It takes a certain frame of mind to commit the act, and once someone reaches that point, the type of clothing a woman is wearing becomes a moot issue. From what I can surmise (and I honestly have no evidence here), rape is more about psychological empowerment than sex. The rapist has to feel like he controls the situation, and that no matter what the woman does to prevent it, she can't change a thing.
Of course, I may be wrong on that point, but if that perspective is the case, then clothing changes nothing whatsoever.
Also, for the sake of lightheartedness, on the topic of how women dress:
NOTE: That video is not related to rape, so don't interpret my posting it as such.
If you got gangfucked in the ass, and all everyone said afterwards was "Maybe you shouldn't have dressed that way" it'd probably be pretty shitty, wouldn't it?
Dressing slutty and dressing nice can have the exact same effect on an attractive person. The end of the day it's excusing people that can't control themselves and putting blame on the victim.
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Mr. T said: Ya, the feminist propaganda that women can do whatever they like and with no consequences whatsoever is a big load of bullshit
I didn't reply to this for fear of breaking that combo. But anyway feminism, like any movement, has its unreasonable extremities. But I don't consider a move to try to empower women against a tradition of illogical sexism to be "a big load of bullshit".
Rape is bad, because it is an act of one imposing their will on another. Anything of that nature will always be bad.
The original question in this thread was whether the rape was justified because of how the woman behaved. IMO there is no justification for it, as any imposition of will is evil in and of itself. The only proper response to a woman who is behaving badly or in an inciting way is to ignore her completely, walk away, and never have anything to do with her. Giving her attention only satisfied her ego, and in extreme cases reinforces her power of manipulation.
Feminism is also unbalanced, evil, and one of the roots of modern western society's problems. Here is what a sane woman has to say about it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vp8tToFv-bA
Not to derail the topic too much, but what about prison rape?. Of course choice of clothing is irrelevant since inmates are dressed identically, but I'm sure other factors like appearance, race, build, etc. would likely influence a person's likelihood of being the victim of a sexual assault.
Vordakk said: Not to derail the topic too much, but what about prison rape?. Of course choice of clothing is irrelevant since inmates are dressed identically, but I'm sure other factors like appearance, race, build, etc. would likely influence a person's likelihood of being the victim of a sexual assault.
This is pretty much the most intelligent question to be brought up. If anything depicts rape as a power-trip it's prison rape.
Mr. T said: Ya, the feminist propaganda that women can do whatever they like and with no consequences whatsoever is a big load of bullshit
o_o
Well, I guess it depends on what you encompass in "whatever they like" and in "consequence". I posit that women being able to do whatever they like as long as it does not break any law with no consequences logically disconnected from their action seem pretty much not bullshit but plain old common sense.
Example: a woman has the right to wear skimpy clothing if so she wishes as long as it does not break any decency law. A possible logical consequence would be catching a cold. Likewise, a man could also wear skimpy yet decent clothing and catch his own cold, and nobody should have anything to object about that.
Getting raped, assaulted or harassed for it, however, is an illogical consequence. It shows immaturity and irrationality in the aggressors, more than in the woman.
I heard they actually don't allow that and you have to sneak masturbations in when guards are not looking. And that if you get caught doing it too much you'll get sent to a "sex and love addiction" support group :P
Well, maybe it's not like that. I just remember there was a female guard and all the guys had worked out systems where one guy would occupy the guard at his cell while his buddy across the aisle peeked and squeaked. I think they were getting in trouble for that.
Maes said: Now I can't stop thinking about what DRM's masturbation habits, that would lead to such a conclusion, could be.
lol there was a rumor in high school that my parents took my door off the hinges.
First of all, it wasn't true but I found it hilarious so I just let the rumor spread. Second of all, a Recon Major has no need for doors, for he knows when his actions can be carried out unseen.
Like I said, whether a women gets raped or not is not related to her clothing. On the other hand, by exercising your right to dress like a whore, chances are some weenie is going to get excited.
LMAO so all those wannabe "gangtas" that wear baggy pants thinking they are so cool are actually sending the message that they are prison punks/bitches? ΧD
fraggle said: It's perhaps worth pointing out that 79% of female rape victims are assaulted by someone they know - an intimate partner, friend or acquaintance (see reference, page 7). That doesn't really answer your question as such but it puts an interesting perspective on the question. Are you asking about all rape victims or just the ones raped by strangers "in dark alleys" (as the stereotype goes)?
I remember reading that rape is less common in Islamic states, but I'm not sure that really proves anything.
*ahem*
It's less commonly REPORTED in Islamic states, clearly, to create this statistic. The truth would be that it would happen so much more. It's usually AUTHORITIES of such cultures/countries with religions like this in which the men are favoured in the first place that will make a claim that the rape was the woman's fault because of what she was wearing as it makes women less honourable (because it is assumed that all women *should* be honourable before marriage in such places).
Which is why victims don't come forward in Islamic states.
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