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Carnevil said:
Well, I don't think it's a problem. Torchlight was all different colored dungeons and the vast majority of people (myself included) ate it up.

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hardcore_gamer said:
I might check this game out of it is released on STEAM.

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Gez said:


That'll be a problem because ever since Steam introduced the "Greenlight" system, indie developers need to get a million vote before they get accepted.

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Dragonsbrethren said:


Remember how awesome getting to go outside in Doom E1 was? Or how E1M6 felt like an entirely different place from the previous levels because it started out outside?

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Carnevil said:
Well, I don't think it's a problem. Torchlight was all different colored dungeons and the vast majority of people (myself included) ate it up.

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Carnevil said:

I shit you not!

TEXTURE SET 1: E1M1 (introduction, moving platforms)

TEXTURE SET 2: E1M2, E1M3 (toxic barrels and floors)

TEXTURE SET 3: E1M4, E1M5 (conveyor belts and smashing walls)

TEXTURE SET 4: E1M6, E1M6', E1M7 (force fields)

... and the finale will likely have some new textures too, but mostly it will be a recapitulation of the episode, so it'll use a lot of textures from the previous levels.

Also, E1M4/5 will look a hell of a lot better in the next update (like they do in that shot). That should help differentiate those two maps from the rest a bunch.

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DeathevokatioN said:
You'll actually see helpful feedback and constructive criticism if you read more into what Essel is trying to say. As someone that wants this project to be as good as it can be and wishes you luck, I can see the same flaws that Essel points to in the level design.

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Carnevil said:


Oh I do. That room in that first screenshot I posted: That room was originally completely flat on the rough draft. I thought back to some of what was said, and decided to add some stairs and have the center dip down, and thought it added a lot. Was it attacked anyway? Of course, but that's not really what's important. Similarly, there's another area in the map where I added a fairly steep staircase with monsters at the top which is certainly an improvement over the original.

This is certainly the best map so far, and the others are continuing to improve as well.

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esselfortium said:

I think the first logical step here would probably be to stop acting like criticism of your work is a personal attack.

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esselfortium said earlier:

It almost has height variation in it?

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Carnevil said:
I don't expect lifetime hardcore Doom fans to embrace Wrack.

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DuckReconMajor said:
But aren't they part of the crowd you made the game for?

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Carnevil said:
A lot of you guys like irregularly shaped rooms - I get it. There's nothing wrong with that, but it's just not the aesthetic of Wrack, so don't be surprised if that doesn't get incorporated.

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Rulero said:
Also im aware of the fact that our level design can improve to some extend, but let it be known that we hired several people from the community after we have recieved the feedback on the level design. and then for whatever reason without communicating, people just vanish or quit. or fail to deliver a single level after weeks of time. While they get all the freedom they have to create somethin to their preferences.

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Jodwin said:

In all seriousness, that's a very bad approach to getting new people to work on any professional project. Getting people to freelance with no strings attached and no duties is basically shooting yourself in the foot. That's essentially how all the community mapping projects here work (sans money being involved) and there's always people going off the radar over the course of the projects for whatever reasons. If you really want other people to contribute on the game, you need to be able make these people truly commit on the project one way or the other.

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Rulero said:
I have my deadlines and my duties. we all get payed and have to sign contracts. all of us do. so i have no idea where you get the idea from that we are all running arround like headless chickens.
Nonetheless i wont hold you back expressing your opinions, and i appreciate you doing so

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Jodwin said:

When your problem is people disappearing and not doing their jobs, it sounds a lot like those people are running around like headless chickens. Obviously I, nor anyone here who isn't part of the project, knows how the hiring is being handled. But what you said about the mappers not doing their jobs sounds like a managerial issue. As for freedom, freedom is great. However you still can have different degrees of freedom in a creative position like this, especially when you're working on the internet with people you've never met face to face. Point being, what works for you personally might not work for everyone else. Some people are fine with being given a job with minimal control from above, while others can't even get out of the bed without someone telling them to do so.

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