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Horsemeat lasagna recalled in Sweden

STOCKHOLM (AP) — Frozen-food company Findus is recalling beef lasagna meals in Sweden after tests confirmed the products contained horsemeat.

The move follows a similar recall earlier this week in Britain amid a widening scandal surrounding the use of horsemeat and the mislabeling of meat products in Europe.


It's not Tesco but it's still horsemeat!

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I think someone just posted about this on FB.

I do like lasagne. But I also like horses. :-/

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Was never a fan of Findus ready meals anyway. I could make a better lasagné out of my own arsemeat.

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Was never a fan of Findus ready meals anyway. I could make a better lasagné out of my own arsemeat.

But then how would you sit down to enjoy it?

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Hellbent said:

I do like lasagne. But I also like horses. :-/



And now you can like your lasagne while liking horses! It's a win-win situation!

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I bet Swedes would just STFU and munch it down if it was mislabeled reindeer meat....

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Maes said:
I bet Swedes would just STFU and munch it down if it was mislabeled reindeer meat....
Well, this isn't Sweden.. err... wait....

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How about they just do like they do with peanut butter and add "This product may contain horse parts" in fine prints.

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French agents in the food industry. Obvious!

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A friend posted this mini-rant on Facebook earlier, and I agree with his sentiments wholeheartedly:


Quote from Miłosz G.
In AD 732, the Pope has decided that horse meat consumption has to stop because it was largely associated with pagan practice*. While the ban was largely involved in some regions of Europe (and, in fact, the ban was a factor that somewhat slowed the religious conversion of the continent), others decided to abide by it quite strictly. Among those others were the fine people of states such as the Kingdom of East Anglia, Mercia, Wessex, Northumbria, Connaught, and so on.

Skipping a millennium or so (+/-100 years), we are now looking at the British Empire and its expansion to, well, everywhere. With the Britons' territorial expansion came the spread of culture, including the "horse meat is no good" dogma (which, as is the case with most dogma, is at this point considered to be the universal truth).

Let's skip a few more hundred years, we're now in 2013. The British Empire is now a collection of sovereign states best described by the term "Anglosphere". Despite many important disagreements between these countries (e.g. "how do you pronounce the word 'zebra'?" or 'should I nest single quotes within double quotes, or is it the other way around?'), they are largely in consensus about a particular societal tidbit - the idea that horse meat is terrible.

Every now and then, people are struck with an outrageous incident where someone sells horse meat as "beef". Why is this an outrage? Logically, I can see why people would be pissed off about buying something and finding out that it's not what it was advertised as - I'd be pissed off as well if this happened to me. To my surprise, however, that's a very rare complaint from the victims of these events. The most common issue appears to be that people have eaten horse meat, and that horse meat is very bad in taste. Now, please pardon my naïvety, but if the meat was particularly repulsive, wouldn't you notice that... while eating said meat? I mean, I've had bad meat in my life, and I've also had horse meat. The two don't correlate much at all.

The Anglosphere is stuck with a taboo that's developed over the past millennium through what I can only assume to be an incredibly long series of simplifications and misinterpretations. Somehow, the Anglophone community made its way from "Horse meat is evil, because pagans eat it" ("Horses shouldn't be eaten because they're our friends" was a somewhat common argument too, I suppose) to "Horse meat tastes very bad".

If you have your doubts about this, go and get a kabanos (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kabanos). They'll have them at your local Polish shop (note: shopkeeper not guaranteed to speak English. Please consult your instruction Manuel for details). Or, you know, go out there and buy some cheap Lasagne. I'm sure there still are plenty of brands selling "contaminated" "beef" out "there".



TL;DR version: What people should be outraged about is that they're not getting what they paid for, not that it's horse meat. There's nothing wrong with horse meat. Quit being bitches about it.

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TL;DR version: What people should be outraged about is that they're not getting what they paid for, not that it's horse meat. There's nothing wrong with horse meat. Quit being bitches about it.

I was talking about this with a friend the other day, and that's the conclusion we came to. It's an affront to trades description laws, but not the making of a horror story.

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Yeah, I don't care that it's meat from horses. The problem is that if the packaging says "made from good quality beef meat without any prion in it, we swear" and it turns out that it also contains horse meat, then what else does it contain? How can we trust that their beef isn't rotten, infested with salmonella, contaminated with prions, full of dioxin, adulterated with sewerage, used by the mafia as a body disposal system, and so on?

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This always reminds me of scary Chinese beers. What about the acetone, I say?

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Yep, soylent green, pink slime, horses, and animals fed genetically modified corn that grows its own bug poison- that's what meat is. Raid, the other white meat.

Glue is made of horses, or at least was at some point. Did you ever eat any of that as a child like ralph wiggum?

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The "contains something else than what's printed on the tin" argument falls flat on its face when you stop to consider that horse meat is considered more prestigious, more gourmet and it's actually more expensive to buy (in places where it's not culturally banned, that is, so even if you like it it's not as if you could eat it everyday).

It's a case of a "positive mistake", so to speak. Risk management and process/cost optimization students are often given this as a classic problem to solve: a canning factory making both canning mackerel and canned salmon, has a certain chance of misclassifying either type of fish as the other, and the challenge is to tune/bias the classifying procedure so that most canning errors will be on the "positive" side (salmon mislabelled as mackerel, rather than opposite).

The rationale is that a customer finding a more prestigious/expensive product by mistake, will probably cause less legal costs/grievances (or even not complain at all) compared to someone actually paying for the most expensive one and getting the cheap one instead, so it's better to have more "good" mistakes than "bad" ones (assuming that it's not possible to make no mistakes at all).

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Maes said:
The "contains something else than what's printed on the tin" argument falls flat on its face when you stop to consider that horse meat is considered more prestigious, more gourmet and it's actually more expensive to buy (in places where it's not culturally banned, that is, so even if you like it it's not as if you could eat it everyday).

It doesn't really though. Imagine, if you will, you go into a car dealership to buy a Ford Focus. It's got 5-seats, it's relatively quick and quite economical. You pay your money and get given your key. It's for a Ford GT. Suddenly you've got something much more expensive, much faster and a lot more prestigious. It isn't what you went in for, it's not the thing you expected (for one thing, how is your family of 4 going to fit into it?) and more importantly it's not what you thought you were buying, even if you paid the price you were expecting to.

Yes, the horse meat doesn't inconvenience you or represent a long-term investment (and it can't be resold or traded after use), but it's the same basic argument. You bought one thing, got given something that's more prestigious/expensive instead and you're not happy about it.

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Phobus said:
for one thing, how is your family of 4 going to fit into it?


Fuck them, daddy looking cool is more important :-D


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You bought one thing, got given something that's more prestigious/expensive instead and you're not happy about it.


Well, there are even people who'd complain about a bag of gold being too heavy, soo there.

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Maes said:
I bet Swedes would just STFU and munch it down if it was mislabeled reindeer meat....
Well. thjey asked some people on the streets and they were mostly in unison. As long as it's labled in the ingredients what kind of meat it is, they didn't care if it was horse or beef.

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As long as it's labled in the ingredients what kind of meat it is, they didn't care if it was horse or beef.


Interesting. Not even if it was mislabeled reindeer meat (which, I understand, is viewed as a delicacy, and I suppose it's not really as cheap as beef)?

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Maes said:
The "contains something else than what's printed on the tin" argument falls flat on its face when you stop to consider that horse meat is considered more prestigious, more gourmet and it's actually more expensive to buy

Not in this case it wasn't; which is why the subcontractor used it to adulterate the beef.

Also no matter how much "better" what you get is from what you bought, the "not what's printed on the tin" point remains critical. Brioche is better than cornbread, but if you're allergic and your gluten-free bread turns out to contain wheat, that it tasted better will not be what you care the most about.

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It's a trust issue. If 30% of their beef contains horse then who can trust them to know what else is in their food? Prions? E. coli? Narcotics? There are tolerances you plan for in food factories and these products are way off. These products also seem to be mostly prepared stuff with other ingredients. It may be the case that they just taste worse, not because horse is bad (it isn't), but because the recipes were designed for beef.

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Maes said:
The "contains something else than what's printed on the tin" argument falls flat on its face when you stop to consider that horse meat is considered more prestigious, more gourmet and it's actually more expensive to buy (in places where it's not culturally banned, that is, so even if you like it it's not as if you could eat it everyday).



Horse meat is cheaper than beef.

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This is why you should make homemade lasagna. :P

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Maes said:
Well, there are even people who'd complain about a bag of gold being too heavy, soo there.
Too right, it also has a metallic aftertaste. I'd rather have a portion of DooMAD's lasagné.

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Maes said:
It's a case of a "positive mistake", so to speak.

Maybe in parts of the world where horse meat is considered a delicacy. Phobus' Ford GT analogy is perhaps a bad example because everyone everywhere appreciates it's worth (it's also easier and lucrative to sell the car if you really don't want it, unlike a second-hand meat product). Personally I have no qualms with eating dead equines, but I can't speak for the whole nation; the stuffy people of Britain just don't look at horse meat in the same way that other cultures do.


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This is why you should make homemade lasagna. :P

QFT.

Lasagna is so simple to make that even I can master it without fucking something up.

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j4rio said:
Horse meat is cheaper than beef.


Yes and no. Horses aren't intensively bred in the same way as chicken and cattle even in countries where they are regularly eaten (e.g. Italy) and so a great deal of "edible horses" are actually former racetrack, hobby or work horses. A wholesale auction price for an entire slaughter horse is about 500-600 Euros, but the meat itself usually is priced halfway between the best pork and the best beef cuts (about 15-16 Eur/kg).

And actually, in Italy consumers get pissed off over the reverse error (so-called "equine" meat really being made by mixing beef, pork and chicken). So I guess those playing the "broken trust" card have a point in either case *footmouth*

Edit: an important thing to note is that in all cases (Tesco burgers + lasagna + false Auchan horse meat) the meat was in ground form (burgers, lasagna filling, etc.) which is very easy to falsify, and perhaps, since only the lower-end meats end up ground anyway, the cheapening out scenario makes sense. But there's no fucking way a 1st class equine fillet would be used as filler for beef patties.

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Too right, it also has a metallic aftertaste. I'd rather have a portion of DooMAD's lasagné.

If there's enough demand I could go into business. The only issue would be finding a sustainable supply of arsemeat. Is breeding humans for slaughter legal yet? I'm sure no one will have a problem with it, as long as it's correctly labelled and doesn't contain any horsemeat.

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In this case the horse meat could possibly contain animal drugs that were illegal in Sweden. Since they couldn't know where the horse meat came from (and indeed weren't even told that it was horse meat), they also couldn't know that it was supposed to be used for food.

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The plot thickens.

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Aliotroph? said:
The plot thickens.


This makes me wanna buy all competitively-priced frozen lasagna, for some reason.

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