I like big arguments!
Kontra Kommando said:
If you believe soldiers are being used as pawns, than that just confirms that you have radical left-wing perspective on that issue. Perspectives do matter, because you are basically stating you opinion on a theory is superior to others. Radical theory has a populist appeal to it, that is undeniable. But it is not the only school of thought. Being cynical about the set up of our society is in fact a Marxist view
Wow that's the worst off-topic shoehorning of Red Scare rhetoric I've seen in a while. It would appear forced and incoherent even in the era of full-blown McCarthyism.
Well, at least I learned that the soldier == pawn perspective is a Marxist one....so I guess pawns in military games don't actually represent soldiers but...proletarians? Now, finally, everything makes sense.
So, I take that you lean towards the more heroic/idealistic view...have you ever actually served in your country's military or plan to do so?
In my experience, pumping conscripts full of heroic and epic glory and warrior honour stories only works well in conscripted or rag-tag militaries (gotta keep those forcibly conscripted or troops made up of convicted felons united, somehow). The so-called Esprit du corps.
I gotta admit that I chanted my fair share of "Let's kill all Turks, liberate Constantinople and bathe ourselves in Albanian and Skopjan blood!" cadences while serving....most did it for the shits n' giggles, but yeah, there was maybe 1 brickhead in every unit that took them too seriously.
However, wherever there's a professional army system where even enlisting (not just military academies) is being offered as a serious career path, the "capitalist" viewpoint takes over. You're no longer a dirty grunt, but a "military professional". You don't just get boot camp and a yell-down from Drill Sgt. Nasty, but you're "trained and specialized" in modern weapons systems. You can't serve in a modern US-like army with the mentality of a WWII conscript hillbilly being issued a broom and a boomstick!
But, YES, even those "noble" soldiers are pawns. YES, they willingly signed a piece of paper that says "The deal is as follows: we say, you do". YES, most of them sought and accept it precisely for this aspect (believe it or not, the military conception of authority can solve a lot of personal problems, or rather, it's a tradeoff that some people may find acceptable at some point in their lives).
OK, YES, even among police and professional enlisted (officers are a special case) there are super-idealists that really seem to buy the whole package, but they are maybe 2-3% of the entire force and usually end up being the butt of the joke among their colleagues, who at best consider them "too fixated", and at worst, dangerous snitchers or extremists.
Last edited by Maes on 04-09-13 at 17:57