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I get it, maybe you wanted the communists to win in your country during the cold war. ;-)

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But KK, I thought that you were NOT trying to make people feel guilty by means of thinly veiled accusations of being communist sympathizers.

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Maes said:
But KK, I thought that you were NOT trying to make people feel guilty by means of thinly veiled accusations of being communist sympathizers.


The guilt is all your own, I never said you should feel bad about it. It's like someone saying, "I don't believe in god", and then have sentiments towards people who call them Atheists, as having dubious intentions.

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It might not be my own, but it sure will be someone else's guilt. In any case, strange that you keep playing that card (burnt as it may be).

Edit: NM, I had written a witty retort here, but know what you'd reply: that the damned Ivans are just pawns because of [blah blah blah insert Red Scare rhethoric here], and that GI Joe is instead proud to be soldier :-) Here, I'll throw in some Make Mine Freedom for good measure.



BTW, I like that short film, because it portrays a simplified, idealized Capitalism the likes of which never truly existed. RL Capitalism is neither that fair, nor "pure", nor free from skewings of various kinds. They simply aren't as bad everywhere. Also, no mention of the military-industrial complex in that film, which is one of the major skewing factor IRL capitalism.

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Maes said:
It might not be my own, but it sure will be someone else's guilt. In any case, strange that you keep playing that card (burnt as it may be).

Iím not playing a card, and there is no mind game being played here.


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Let's suppose -and not concede- that I'm indeed an Ivan from head to toe, the biggest and Redder you've ever seen. Kinda like a cross between Zanghief and Ivan Drago. What difference does it make to anything -besides your dubious red scare pseudo-rhethoric- said in this thread? [/B]


It wouldn't make a difference; I already told you radicals have a right to hold their views. Radical theory has a viable interpretation of International Relations. But there are other schools of thought that are equally viable, like Realism, Liberalism, and Constructivism. There is no one truth in these matters, only theories.

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Iím not playing a card, and there is no mind game being played here


That's a suspiciously specific denial there, mate ;-)

Also, strange that you keep using Radicalism as a synonym for Communism.

I may be biased because of the immediate association I make with the Italian Radical Party , but the formal definition of political radicalism does not paint any particular ideology, just highlights the "altering social structures through revolutionary means and changing value systems in fundamental ways" part. There seem to be radical parties from all accross the political spectrum, with no particular ideology prevailing (Edit: OK, there seems to be a historical association with extreme left, but where such extreme left actually took power, it automatically ceased being radical, no? )

Under that vague definition, you could lump Fascism, Nazism, etc. and even the American Founding Fathers, the Quakers, the USA movement for independence from England or the modern-day Tea Party. But nowhere, never, have I seen it as a synonym/equivalent/exclusive term for Communism.

My opinion? It's simply a convenience umbrella term that you use to signify anyone with different or inconvenient political -or otherwise- views compared to yours (compare e.g. reactionary/conservatory, but also "peacebreaker" or "troublemaker" and "mischief").

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Maes said:


That's a suspiciously specific denial there, mate ;-)




Well, I can't help the fact that you're cynical towards others. That sounds more like a problem for you.

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That's a suspiciously specific denial there, mate ;-)

Also, strange that you keep using Radicalism as a synonym for Communism.

I may be biased because of the immediate association I make with the Italian Radical Party , but the formal definition of political radicalism does not paint any particular ideology, just highlights the "altering social structures through revolutionary means and changing value systems in fundamental ways" part. Maybe it's not the same, I dunno.

Under that vague definition, you could lump Fascism, Nazism, etc. and even the American Founding Fathers, the USA movement for independence from England or the modern-day Tea Party. But nowhere, never, have I seen it as a synonym/equivalent/exclusive term for Communism.

My opinion? It's simply a convenience umbrella term that you use to signify anyone with different or inconvenient political -or otherwise- views compared to yours (compare e.g. reactionary/conservatory, but also "peacebreaker" or "troublemaker").



Actually Radicalism is considered far-left, it's Marxism. I didn't call it communist exclusively, Communism is an evolution of radical theory. It places the state at the center of the means of production. Mussolini was actually a Marxist before he helped to create fascism. It is the belief that the collective good of the nation is first and foremost, and the individual plays a subordinate role. One of the differences between Communism and fascism is that communist envision a one world government. Fascists on the other hand believe in their particular nation's success, even at the expense of other nations. The founding fathers of the United States had differing ideas for the country. Some believed that the federal government should be powerful, and promote the interests of powerful private elites. Others like Thomas Jefferson were pretty much libertarians.

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I'm wondering if KK is a /pol/lock trying to be civil.

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Also the Tea Party is considered a reactionary movement, not a radical one. They seek to return the U.S. to a time before social welfare, and FDR.

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I'm wondering if KK is a /pol/lock trying to be civil.


And I guess you're a bigot trying to be witty.

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I'm wondering if KK is a /pol/lock trying to be civil.


What's a /pol/lock?

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What's a /pol/lock?



A disparaging term for Polish people. I'm not even Polish.

If people want to insert themselves into a conversation, I'd advise against using racial or ethnic hatred to do so.

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Yeah, those slashes weren't exactly included for shits and giggles.

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Kontra Kommando said:
If people want to insert themselves into a conversation, I'd advise against using racial or ethnic hatred to do so.


What about using it to one's advantage?

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What about using it to one's advantage?



No, it's just in poor taste, and unnecessary. I'm not a minority either btw.

What advantage?! what are you so paranoid about?

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What advantage?! what are you so paranoid about?


No, Kontra Kommando. You are the paranoid.
And then Kontra Kommando was an unnecessary minority in poor taste.

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Maes said:
What's a /pol/lock?
The community that resides on 4chan's political board /pol/.

It's mainly composed of ultra-right conservatives, libertarians, white nationalists, and sharia sympathizers. Basically political cartoon characters.

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No, Kontra Kommando. You are the paranoid.
And then Kontra Kommando was an unnecessary minority in poor taste.



I guess this is where you and these other flunkies fall into:

http://www.politicsforum.org/images...rs/flame_03.php

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That's sexist, you puritan. But no hard feelings, lol. ;-)

But seriously, this whole 'conversation' has gone so far afield as to be almost without hope of ever getting back on topic.

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Technician said:
The community that resides on 4chan's political board /pol/.
And what does the /lock "suffix" stand for, then?

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And what does the /lock "suffix" stand for, then?
I think they're just trying to be edgy.

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What a wonderful thread this turned into

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