GreyGhost Posted January 20, 2014 j4rio said:To be fair, I find the whole endangered species thing to be somewhat useless. There's just a bunch of leftover survivors, evolution will take care of them sooner or later but most likely sooner. Humans won't change that, and even if they try, the outcome will be rather laughable from the more time-scoped point of view. Chances are we'll cause extinction of all of them anyway, including ourselves. There's bazillion of animals that became extinct over time and it didn't bring any consequences because that's just how things were supposed to be. Funnily enough, our own species was on the cusp of extinction in Africa some 70k years ago, had that happened Europe might still be the domain of the Neanderthals. You're right about extinction being nothing unusual, but normally when a species dies out the niche it occupied is filled by another, the exception being mass extinction events (such as the one we're now witnessing) when there tends to be a general reduction in biodiversity. 0 Share this post Link to post
Krispy Posted January 20, 2014 Unfortunately I don't have a source, but I read somewhere that humans have killed off more species than the asteroid that wiped out the dinosaurs. So no, this is not normal. 0 Share this post Link to post
Maes Posted January 20, 2014 Krispy said:Unfortunately I don't have a source, but I read somewhere that humans have killed off more species than the asteroid that wiped out the dinosaurs. So no, this is not normal. Well, to even things out, mosquitoes have killed over half of the humans that have ever existed. So it's all fair game, I guess. 0 Share this post Link to post
geo Posted January 20, 2014 And they're so abundant no one needs a license to kill them. 0 Share this post Link to post
Mr. Freeze Posted January 20, 2014 It's infuriating how people can lack empathy for people and not animals. 0 Share this post Link to post
Maes Posted January 20, 2014 Mr. Freeze said:It's infuriating how people can lack empathy for people and not animals. Subconciously, this is done because the current Western Judeo-Christian culture believes that animals are "pure", like children, incapable (?) of doing harm purely due to their own will or at least incapable or realizing the consequences of their actions, and thus unaccountable and unjudgeable (and unjudging). Why do you think people like having pets? A similar sympathy is often displayed also towards people with disabilities, which are considered helpless. E.g. if I show you two identical hobos laying down, you comment how "lazy" they are and how "they brought their current situation upon themselves" for being so lazy, and then I tell you that one of them has a learning disability. You'll "soften up" in no time, I'm tellin' ya, and you'll hate the "normal" hobo EVEN MORE for not appreciating his normality. In this twisted moral system, empathy for able-bodied and able-bodied humans who (should) be able to fend for themselves yet appear less fortunate than yourself leads to this apparent lack of empathy, comtempt for the "lower classes", racism etc. 0 Share this post Link to post
Technician Posted January 20, 2014 Mr. Freeze said:It's infuriating how people can lack empathy for people and not animals. I guess we in the west can say such things when we have full bellies. Of course that statement falls flat when richer people in Asia are wearing live turtles as disposable earrings. 0 Share this post Link to post
geo Posted January 20, 2014 Mr. Freeze said:It's infuriating how people can lack empathy for people and not animals. Too many people. We really need to kill off a lot of them. Maybe if Rhinos could use guns. 0 Share this post Link to post
Maes Posted January 20, 2014 geo said:Maybe if Rhinos could use guns. Well....close enough? 0 Share this post Link to post
j4rio Posted January 20, 2014 Maes said:Well, to even things out, mosquitoes have killed over half of the humans that have ever existed. So it's all fair game, I guess. That's like stating that rats have eradicated 3/4 of Europe during bubonic plague pandemia. Mosquitoes wouldn't do jackshit if they weren't capable of transfering protozoa, specifically-evolved-to-fuck-humans-up kind of protozoa. 0 Share this post Link to post
Maes Posted January 20, 2014 j4rio said:That's like stating that rats have eradicated 3/4 of Europe during bubonic plague pandemia. Mosquitoes wouldn't do jackshit if they weren't capable of transfering protozoa, specifically-evolved-to-fuck-humans-up kind of protozoa. OK, j4rio, then the bacteria carried by the fleas carried by the rats eradicated 3/4 of Europe during bubonic plague pandemia. And the specifically-evolved-to-fuck-humans-up kind of protozoa carried by he mosquitoes fucked humans up. And if we go at a lower, molecular level, I'm sure we can attribute the blame more finely, to specific proteins, molecules, or even molecular bonds and electronic orbitals. Happy now? 0 Share this post Link to post
j4rio Posted January 20, 2014 Absolutely. The thing is, we're underestimating the microtic world. Mosquitoes were basically noticed by, say, malaria inflictor, then those microorganisms found out mosquitoes actually feast on humanly blood drips and figured they could get into humans easily that way. Imagine this over span of enormously long time and you have our current situation. I'd go as far as to say 99% of humanly deaths during the time span since first evolved humans until current day is caused by microorganisms. 0 Share this post Link to post
Maes Posted January 20, 2014 j4rio said:I'd go as far as to say 99% of humanly deaths during the time span since first evolved humans until current day is caused by microorganisms. Well, if you analyze every possible physical interaction, which includes even mechanical damage by projectyles, fire etc. in the end it can all be viewed as the result of many small failures/actions at the microscopic level. But I see what you mean, it's more fascinating when the true, ultimate cause of a failure (this includes illnesses) leaves no obvious macroscopic evidence. 0 Share this post Link to post
gggmork Posted January 20, 2014 Humans only want to keep other species extant long enough to steal their evolved bio-technology via the science of biomimicry. Once DARPA and the now google-owned Boston Dynamics have their gecko nanotechnology (http://www.ted.com/talks/robert_full_on_animal_movement.html), ability to create temperatures hotter than the sun (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DeFUO2F7Gvw) and a cocktail of hyper weaponized blue ring octopus poisons, the species are flagged as obsolete, removed from earth, and sent to Venus where they are infinitely reproduced for infinite torture. The whole environmental biodiversity conservation program is part of Agenda 21. The elites put species on the endangered species list when they know they compete against humans for food resources, in order to cause artificial food scarcity among humans for purposes of control, and to ultimately have an excuse to put humans on the menu in a satanic orgy of cannibalism as depicted in their self fulfilling prophecy and propaganda piece Soylent Green. Why are there so many starving people in Ethiopia? Because the Ethiopian Wolf eats ALL their food! I learned all this from snapple facts so it's indisputable. Speaking of Snapple, I drank 12 cans of mountain dew in 2 days recently (you have to because weaponized cocaine is part of the highly addictive proprietary ingredients) and right on the can of mountain dew is an advertisement for xbox one. So you KNOW there's evil synergy going on; the mountain dew is filling you up with some sort of glow in the dark nanobots or something to make it easier for the xbox one to see you through walls. 0 Share this post Link to post
j4rio Posted January 20, 2014 Maes said:Well, if you analyze every possible physical interaction, which includes even mechanical damage by projectyles, fire etc. in the end it can all be viewed as the result of many small failures/actions at the microscopic level. Sure, but that doesn't mean those microscopic failures can't be divided into subcategories. Mechanical damage involving high/low temperature (burn, frostbite, heat illness), pressure related damage like pressure ulceration, chemical substance poisoning (snake poison, pill poisoning) or even other macrobiological causes (parasitic worms - sicknesses they cause are usually not microorganism-related) are all what I considered to be a part of the 1%. An autonomous microtic organism capable of reproducing inside human body and a causing a poisoning due to toxic part of its body or toxins it produces is specifically what is the main reason of majority of extremely massive human eradications throughout existence of humanity. It's actually quite surprising we haven't died off entirely. The fact that we made it past the point of being able to fight off microorganisms with vaccination is one of most important things we've ever managed, and also the luckiest. 0 Share this post Link to post
Ralphis Posted January 20, 2014 Krispy said:Unfortunately I don't have a source, but I read somewhere that humans have killed off more species than the asteroid that wiped out the dinosaurs. So no, this is not normal. Humans are nature. Huge cities and everything we create are natural. What makes us so high and mighty to think that we're different from any other animal? We evolved in such a way that we create and destroy things and that is natural 0 Share this post Link to post
Krispy Posted January 20, 2014 Ralphis said:Humans are nature. Huge cities and everything we create are natural. What makes us so high and mighty to think that we're different from any other animal? We evolved in such a way that we create and destroy things and that is natural And therefore we have no need to be responsible whatsoever! Take that, nature, you stupid self-destructive chain of events! 0 Share this post Link to post
geo Posted January 20, 2014 With people selling their virginity and kidneys online, why don't people sell their lives. Hunt me kill me to the highest bidder. 0 Share this post Link to post
Quast Posted January 20, 2014 Krispy said:Unfortunately I don't have a source, but I read somewhere that humans have killed off more species than the asteroid that wiped out the dinosaurs. So no, this is not normal. The reason you don't have a source for this is because it is complete nonsense. ~75% of extant species were wiped out by the K/T event in quite rapid fashion. As amazing as we are at times, we aren't that good. 0 Share this post Link to post
Maes Posted January 20, 2014 geo said:why don't people sell their lives Ever tried applying for a job? 0 Share this post Link to post
GreyGhost Posted January 21, 2014 Ralphis said:What makes us so high and mighty to think that we're different from any other animal? Intelligent Design. :P 0 Share this post Link to post
gggmork Posted January 21, 2014 Maes said:I dig yo new avatar, dawg. Thanks, this one has a stupid line on the top on accident but all well. Here's a bigger one: http://postimg.org/image/9hhvobe67/ (NSFW) The pattern of sideways marching allows packing 256 frames of animation into only 16 frames. But given your avatar you might be more interested in this picture that really captures the essence of doomguy: http://postimg.org/image/jzoxyzbwd/ (NSFW) I like how on postimg.org, you don't have to "temporarily allow all this page" with noscript THREE times, AND reload the page, unlike another popular image hosting site. By the way pygame's inverted y axis really sucks. They have a rect object and the "top" is already the lowest point. Then the math for rotation is conventionally built around a non-inverted y axis. So you pretend its not inverted by subtracting screen height each time you draw. Now you have like a duality of heights you're trying to think about, and since the rect already had its lowest point on the top, I mean who knows where the rect is really located. Its like the top is the bottom and the bottom is the top, only invert that, maybe but only on tuesdays, on the lowest part of the highest part of the lowest minus or plus screen height plus a zebra divided by a platypus times -1. 0 Share this post Link to post
Krispy Posted January 21, 2014 gggmork said:I like how on postimg.org, you don't have to "temporarily allow all this page" with noscript THREE times, AND reload the page, unlike another popular image hosting site. And on Android it redirects you to random porn sites. Get a new image host. 0 Share this post Link to post
Maes Posted January 21, 2014 gggmork said:But given your avatar you might be more interested in this picture that really captures the essence of doomguy: http://postimg.org/image/jzoxyzbwd/ *brofists gggmork* *saves pic for those hard moments* 0 Share this post Link to post
Sokoro Posted January 21, 2014 I hate when people kill animal and then do not eat it, so much of meat going waste. They are just killing them to gain wealth, well humans even kill each other to gain wealth. I heard in local zoo, that they cut off the horns of rhinos so that they save them from the hunters who usually just kill them to get the horn. 0 Share this post Link to post
Clonehunter Posted January 21, 2014 So hunting animals is bad, but threatening to murder a family of humans, one family member (one) wanting to hunt an animal that can't do anything other than take up space as well as donate a lot of money to help save the rest of the rhinos, is a-ok. Why don't we just legalize murder and have fun with guns? 0 Share this post Link to post