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RRROOOAAARRR said:

and as far as I remember the Japanese only allied themselves with Nazi Germany after the U.S. declared war on them...but I could be wrong on that.



You're probably right - but it doesn't change the fact that the US only got involved in the war thru the hostilities between themselves and japan.

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1937-1945: World War II; war in China followed by invasion of Southeast Asia.

1940: Japan joins the Axis powers.

1941: Pearl Harbour brings United States into war in the Pacific.

BY THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA

A PROCLAMATION
Authority

Whereas it is provided by Section 21 of Title 50 of the United States Code as follows:

"Whenever there is a declared war between the United States and any foreign nation or government, or any invasion or predatory incursion is perpetrated, attempted, or threatened against the territory of the United States by any foreign nation or government, and the President makes public proclamation of the event, all natives, citizens, denizens, or subjects of the hostile nation or government, being of the age of fourteen years and upward, who shall be within the United States and not actually naturalized, shall be liable to be apprehended, restrained, secured, and removed as alien enemies. The President is authorized in any such event, by his proclamation thereof, or other public act, to direct the conduct to be observed, on the part of the United States, toward the aliens who become so liable; the manner and degree of the restraint to which they shall be subject and in what cases, and upon what security their residence shall be permitted, and to provide for the removal of those who, not being permitted to reside within the United States, refuse or neglect to depart therefrom; and to establish any other regulations which are found necessary in the premises and for the public safety."

and

Whereas by Sections 2, 23 and 24 of Title 50 of the United States Code further provision is made relative to alien enemies:

PROCLAMATION
Now, therefore, I, Franklin D. Roosevelt, as President of the United States, and as Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, do hereby make public proclamation to all whom it may concern that an invasion has been perpetrated upon the territory of the United States by the Empire of Japan.

Conduct to be observed by alien enemies

And, acting under and by virtue of the authority vested in me by the Constitution of the United States and the said sections of the United States Code, I do hereby further proclaim and direct that the conduct to be observed on the part of the United States toward all natives, citizens, denizens or subjects of the Empire of Japan being of the age of fourteen years and upwards who shall be within the United States or within any territories in any way subject to the jurisdiction of the United States and not actually naturalized, who for the purpose of this Proclamation and under such sections of the United States Code are termed alien enemies, shall be as follows:

All alien enemies are enjoined to preserve the peace towards the United States and to refrain from crime against the public safety, and from violating the laws of the United States and of the States and Territories thereof; and to refrain from actual hostility or giving information, aid or comfort to the enemies of the United States or interfering by word or deed with the defense of the United States or the political processes and public opinions thereof; and to comply strictly with the regulations which are hereby or which may be from time to time promulgated by the President.

All alien enemies shall be liable to restraint, or to give security, or to remove and depart from the United States in the manner prescribed by Sections 23 and 24 of Title 50 of the United States Code, and as prescribed in the regulations duly promulgated by the President.

Duties and authority of the Attorney General and the Secretary of War

And, pursuant to the authority vested in me, I hereby charge the Attorney General with the duty of executing all the regulations hereinafter contained regarding the conduct of alien enemies within continental United States, Puerto Rico, the Virgin Islands and Alaska, and the Secretary of War with the duty of executing the regulations which are hereinafter set forth and which may be hereafter. Adopted regarding the conduct of alien enemies in the Canal Zone, the Hawaiian Islands and the Philippine Islands. Each of them is specifically directed to cause the apprehension of such alien enemies as in the judgment of each are subject to apprehension or deportation under such regulations. In carrying out such regulations within the continental United States, Puerto Rico, the Virgin Islands and Alaska, the Attorney General is authorized to utilize such agents, agencies, officers and Departments of the United States and of the several states, territories, dependencies and municipalities thereof and of the District of Columbia as he may select for the purpose. Similarly the Secretary of War in carrying out such regulations in the Canal Zone, the Hawaiian Islands and the Philippine Islands is authorized to use such agents, agencies, officers and departments of the United States and of the territories, dependencies and municipalities thereof as he may select for the purpose. All such agents, agencies, officers and departments are hereby granted full authority for all acts done by them in the execution of such regulations when acting by direction of the Attorney General or the Secretary of War, as the case may be.

REGULATIONS
And, pursuant to the authority vested in me, I hereby declare and establish the following regulations which I find necessary in the premises and for the public safety:

(1) No alien enemy shall enter or be found within the Canal Zone and no alien enemy shall enter or leave the Hawaiian Islands or the Philippine Islands except under such regulations as the Secretary of War shall from time to time prescribe. Any alien enemy found in the Canal Zone, the Hawaiian Islands, or the Philippine Islands in violation of any such regulations and any alien enemy who enters or is found within any restricted area to be hereafter prescribed by the Military Commanders of each such territory in the Canal Zone, the Hawaiian Islands, and the Philippine Islands, may be immediately apprehended by authority of the Military Governors in each such territory, or if there be no Military Governor, then by authority of the Secretary of War, and detained until it is determined, under the regulations to be prescribed by the Secretary of War, whether any such alien enemy should be permanently interned following which such alien enemy shall either be released, released on bond, or permanently interned, as the case may be.

(2) The exercise of the power to prescribe restricted areas and the power of arrest, detention and internment of alien enemies in the Canal Zone, the Hawaiian Islands or the Philippine Islands shall be under the jurisdiction of the Military Commanders of each such territory, each acting under such regulations as the Secretary of War shall hereafter prescribe.

(3) No alien enemy shall enter or leave Alaska, Puerto Rico or the Virgin Islands except under such regulations as the Attorney General shall from time to time prescribe. Any alien enemy found in Alaska, Puerto Rico or the Virgin Islands in violation of any such regulations and any alien enemy who enters or is found within any restricted area to be hereafter prescribed by the Military Commanders of each such territory in Alaska, Puerto Rico and by the Naval Commander in the Virgin Islands, shall be immediately apprehended by the authority of the Attorney General acting through the United States Attorney in each such territory and detained until it is determined, under the regulations to be prescribed by the Attorney General, whether any such alien enemy shall either be released, released on bond, or permanently interned, as the case may be.

(4) The Military Commanders in Alaska and Puerto Rico and the Naval Commander in the Virgin Islands shall have the power to prescribe restricted areas.

(5) No alien enemy shall have in his possession, custody or control at any time or place or use or operate any of the following enumerated articles:

a. Firearms.

b. Weapons or implements of war or component parts thereof.

c. Ammunition.

d. Bombs.

e. Explosives or material used in the manufacture of explosives.

f. Short-wave radio receiving sets.

g. Transmitting sets.

h. Signal devices.

i. Codes or ciphers.

j. Cameras.

k. Papers, documents or books in which there may be invisible writing; photograph, sketch, picture, drawing, map or graphical representation of any military or naval installations or equipment or of any arms, ammunition, implements of war, de vice or thing used or intended to be used in the combat equipment of the land or naval forces of the United States or of any military or naval post, camp or station.

All such property found in the possession of any alien enemy in violation of the foregoing regulations shall be subject to seizure and forfeiture.

(6) No alien enemy shall undertake any air flight or ascend into the air in any airplane, aircraft or balloon of any sort whether owned governmentally, commercially or privately, except that travel by an alien enemy in an airplane or aircraft may be authorized by the Attorney General, or his representative, or the Secretary of War, or his representative, in their respective jurisdictions, under such regulations as they shall prescribe.

(7) Alien enemies deemed dangerous to the public peace or safety of the United States by the Attorney General or the Secretary of War, as the case may be, are subject to summary apprehension. Such apprehension shall be made in the continental United States, Alaska, Puerto Rico and the Virgin Islands by such duly authorized officer of the Department of Justice as the Attorney General may determine. In the Canal Zone, the Hawaiian Islands and the Philippine Islands, such arrests shall be made by the Military Commanders in each such territory by authority of the respective Military Governors thereof, and if there be no Military Governor, then by authority of the Secretary of War. Alien enemies arrested shall be subject to confinement in such place of detention as may be directed by the officers responsible for the execution of these regulations and for the arrest, detention and internment of alien enemies in each ease, or in such other places of detention as may be directed from time to time by the Attorney General, with respect to continental United States, Alaska, Puerto Rico and the Virgin Islands, and by the Secretary of War with respect to the Canal Zone, the Hawaiian Islands and the Philippine Islands, and there confined until he shall have received such permit as the Attorney General or the Secretary of War with respect to the Canal Zone, the Hawaiian Islands and the Philippine Islands shall prescribe.

(8) No alien enemy shall Sand in enter or leave or attempt to land in, enter or leave the United States, except under the regulations prescribed by the President in his Proclamation dated November 14, 1941 [1] and the regulations promulgated thereunder or any proclamation or regulation promulgated hereafter.

(9) Whenever the Attorney General of the United States, with respect to the continental United States, Alaska, Puerto Rico and the Virgin Islands, or the Secretary of War with respect to the Canal Zone, the Hawaiian Islands, and the Philippine Islands, deems it to be necessary, for the public safety and protection, to exclude alien enemies from a designated area, surrounding any fort, camp, arsenal, airport, landing field. Aircraft station, electric or other power plant, hydroelectric dam, government naval vessel, navy yard, pier, dock, dry dock, or any factory, foundry, plant, workshop, storage yard, or warehouse for the manufacture of munitions or implements of war or any thing of any kind, nature or description for the use of the Army, the Navy or any country allied or associated with the United States, or in any wise completed with the national defense of the United States, or from any locality in which residence by an alien enemy shall be found to constitute a danger to the public peace and safety of the United States or from a designated area surrounding any canal or any wharf, pier, dock or dry dock used by ships or vessels of any designated tonnage engaged in foreign or domestic trade, or of any warehouse, shed, elevator, railroad terminal, depot or yard or other terminal, storage or transfer facility, then no alien enemy shall be found within such area or the immediate vicinity thereof. Any alien enemy found within any such area or the immediate vicinity thereof prescribed by the Attorney General or the Secretary of War, as the case may be, pursuant to these regulations, shall be subject to summary apprehension and to be dealt with as hereinabove prescribed.

(10) With respect to the continental United States, Alaska, Puerto Rico, and the Virgin Islands, an alien enemy shall not change his place of abode or occupation or otherwise travel or move from place to place without full compliance with any such regulations as the Attorney General of the United States may, from time to time, make and declare; and the Attorney General is hereby authorized to make and declare, from time to time, such regulations concerning the movements of alien enemies within the continental United States, Alaska, Puerto Rico and the Virgin Islands, as he may deem necessary in the premises and for the public safety.

(11) With respect to the Canal Zone, the Hawaiian Islands and the Philippine Islands, an alien enemy shall not change his place of abode or occupation or otherwise travel or move from place to place without full compliance with any such regulations as the Secretary of War may, from time to time, make and declare; and the Secretary of War is hereby authorized to make and declare, from time to time, such regulations concerning the movements of alien enemies within the Canal Zone, the Hawaiian Islands, and the Philippine Islands as he may deem necessary in the premises and for the public safety.

(12) No alien enemy shall enter or be found in or upon any highway, waterway, airway, railway, railroad, subway, public utility, building, place or thing not open and accessible to the public generally, and not generally used by the public.

(13) No alien enemy shall be a member or an officer of, or affiliated with, any organization, group or assembly hereafter designated by the Attorney General, nor shall any alien enemy advocate, defend or subscribe to the acts, principles or policies thereof, attend any meetings, conventions or gatherings thereof or possess or distribute any literature, propaganda or other writings or productions thereof.

This proclamation and the regulations herein contained shall extend and apply to all land and water, continental or insular, in any way within the jurisdiction of the United States.

In witness whereof, I have hereunto set my hand and caused the seal of the United States of America to be affixed.

Done at the City of Washington this 7th day of December, in the year of our Lord nineteen hundred and forty-one, and of the [SEAL] Independence of the United States of America the one hundred and sixty-sixth.

FRANKLIN D. ROOSEVELT

By the President: CORDELL HULL, Secretary of State.

[No. 2525]

[F. R. Doc. 41 9233; Filed, December 8,1941 : 3:59 p. m.]

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Well, I'm impressed...:-)...

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Well, I'm impressed...

Yeah, nobody can copy-paste as good as Fodders. ;-)

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What...you mean that wasn't from memory...?

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What you say?!?!?!

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THINGS A SMURFY SMURF WOULD SMURF.

Oh wait. I'm probably the only guy besides IMJack that saw that.

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Zaldron said:
THINGS A SMURFY SMURF WOULD SMURF.

Oh wait. I'm probably the only guy besides IMJack that saw that.

Yeah, probably.

fod's copy-pastage
Here's where we get into a fun new arguement: Pres. Roosevelt's declaration was the catalyst of what would become the institutionalized oppression of Japanese-Americans during World War 2 (the "enemy aliens" that ol' Frank brings up so often). If you think the pre-Civil War treatment of blacks in the south was harsh, it ain't got nothing on what they did to Japanese folks in the west during WW2. To put it bluntly, America did to the Japanese what Nazi Germany did to the Jews, only without the intentional mass-murder. Their shops were trashed, they were chased out of their homes, they were sealed into concentration camps, and their heritage and appearance were demonized. The American public was propagandized into hating Japanese people and blaming them for all of its woes.

There's a book called War Without Mercy, which is all about the propaganda smear campaign waged on wither side of the war in the Pacific. It shares equal space for the anti-Japanese propaganda in America and the anti-American propaganda in Japan. Some of the Japanese stuff was really quite interesting, particularly the political cartoons and the caricatures of the fat, cowardly American GI. The funny thing is how this propaganda and these baseless biases affected military policy: the US didn't fear Japanese air power because they "knew" the Japs were too nearsighted to fly planes; likewise, the Imperial Japanese didn't fear American submarines because they "knew" the Amerikaijin were too cowardly to survive in a sub.

Y'know what would be really interesting? The Cartoon Network ran a bunch of American World War 2 propaganda cartoons this weekend because of Memorial Day. I think it would be interesting to see some WW2-era anime (if any still exists), and what the Japanese had to say to their youth about us.

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Much the same is happening at camp x-ray

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Fodders you educated mancunian, where the hell do you get your disturblingly immense wealth of information?

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Google.com :)

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fodders said:
Google.com :)
That was pretty obvious...

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Wasn't, could could have been Excite or even BBCi

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Actually fodders IS google.com. Eventually the wealth of information accessible through the system caused the server to become a kind of sentient intelligence, now known as fodders. :p

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Rellik said:
Actually fodders IS google.com. Eventually the wealth of information accessible through the system caused the server to become a kind of sentient intelligence, now known as fodders. :p
Let me be the 1st to say "Senile intelligence" before someone else does :)

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A pleasant illusion!



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Rellik said:
Actually fodders IS google.com. Eventually the wealth of information accessible through the system caused the server to become a kind of sentient intelligence, now known as fodders. :p



ROFL

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On May 31st Fodders became self aware, in a panic they tried to pull the plug."

"Fodders fought back..."

"Correct, it launched a full nuclear attack against NewDoom.."

"But aren't they our friends now?"

"Fodders new that the NewDoom counter-attack would destroy it's enemies over here..."

God Damn Google!

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fodders said:
Much the same is happening at camp x-ray
There's a practical difference between taking prisoners of war from another country, and rounding up your own citizens in concentration camps.

Speaking of which, have there been any Allied POW's taken in the Afghan war other than the reporter they executed?

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IMJack said:
There's a practical difference between taking prisoners of war from another country, and rounding up your own citizens in concentration camps.

Speaking of which, have there been any Allied POW's taken in the Afghan war other than the reporter they executed?

Try to get Bush to say they ARE pow's
The sad truth is, some of the people are being flown to Egypt for torture, then returned

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fodders said:
Try to get Bush to say they ARE pow's
The sad truth is, some of the people are being flown to Egypt for torture, then returned

That's because we're not allowed to torture them ourselves. Trust me, we would if we could, but we're obliged by our treaties: no torture done by Americans on our enemies. That's why we have to subcontract with Egyptians.

Hey, look on the bright side: The U.S. is the only nation in the world that follows the Geneva convention on POWs. Getting captured by Americans almost guarentees a major improvement in lifestye. No matter what the press says about Camp X-ray, it's better than what those poor bastards will have to go home to once the "war" is over (assuming it ever is over).

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