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iceman57
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Are we talking about ressources or WAD ?
Hokuto ressources have no problems, they are images or audio files... haven't they ?

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Adhoc said:
Asking this for the third time, can we hell this thread?

Why? Surely now it is a discussion about a legitimate project and (hopefully) people will stop flaming for flaming's sake. Although possibly helling it and allowing Iceman to start a proper thread may be a better option. Perhaps Iceman didn't conduct himself in the best way possible but most of the obnoxious behaviour came from the regulars here and maybe that kind of attitude and "bear bating" mentality belongs in post-hell. Either way, it's not my call.

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That's common rumor "flaming" way...
People say it's shit so it must be. That's common issue with journalistic sources, nobody check

Have a look on it, and if you estimate there are still problematic contents, I'll simply remove them again (already proceeded and can repeat again this work tomorrow)...

But please if this re-archiving could be the last one, I'll really appreciate (because each time cost me 30 minutes uploading).

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iceman57 said:
Are we talking about ressources or WAD ?
DOOM is a trademark. Since your WAD doesn't comply with the id's requirements for add-ons, you can't even mention the game's name (or any of its IWADs) on your text file. If you use Freedoom or some other free alternative you aren't bound by this restriction.

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Lol, you must be kidding...

DOOM logo is trademark too
If I follow your mind you'll also have to ban all DOOM WADs using DOOM logo. Such as "DOOM3"(for Doom) "Simpson Doom" "Dragon ball doom"... and thousands of others.

Project name is "Hokuto No Doom" be gentle to change all except this

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iceman57 said:
Lol, you must be kidding...

DOOM logo is trademark too
If I follow your mind you'll also have to ban all DOOM WADs using DOOM logo. Such as "DOOM3"(for Doom) "Simpson Doom" "Dragon ball doom"... and thousands of others.

Project name is "Hokuto No Doom" be gentle to change all except this



YOU ARE FUCKING DUMB

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Nope, I'm a 30y old technician in car industry since over 10 years (production center then logistic then technic and now business).

So certainly an excellent professionnal, especially on private project such as a Doom TC that I tried to handle with the professionnalism of a car manufacturing (R&D, production, technic, marketing, events...).

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So I take it the larger file Enjay and I can't download time-effectively is still a shareware add-on? *Sigh*

Iceman, just do what Myk says. He-Who-Is-Like-God knows what he's talking about. You'll save yourself a lot of grief... =/

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Can I name it "Hokuto" ? (That's a minimum or I call the Union !! )

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So I take it the larger file Enjay and I can't download time-effectively is still a shareware add-on? *Sigh*

Probably. But all links to it (on this forum at least) have been removed and Iceman is now trying to talk about his fixed WAD as far as I can tell.

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iceman57 said:
If I follow your mind you'll also have to ban all DOOM WADs using DOOM logo.
Not if they comply with the EULA by requiring the full game, as the WADs on /idgames do.

People can only do one thing with the shareware; play it.

Id Software does not give permission to use the shareware for making mods. If you use it that way, they can take issue, either from copyright infringement (not your case anymore, apparently) or from the use of the name of their product in a way they don't allow.

Note that I wasn't just talking about the name; I mean saying something like "for use with the DOOM shareware". You can't associate it without misusing their name.


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He-Who-Is-Like-God
No I'm not, I'm just a mortal

It could also apply to esselfortium.

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iceman57 said:

For "Hokuto77" version I'll remove it right now.
Here is a version with ONLY graphics and audio sources and no WADs.

http://www.megaupload.com/fr/?d=N18KKXIY (50 Mb)

Tell me if now it's correct.
Then I'll work on idgames ones, I need to see in details what you exactly require.

This should be okay.

When you're submitting to idgames, you need to upload a .zip file containing:
  • The WAD (derived from hnd_kit.wad)
  • A text file, properly formatted. The text file inside the latest zip that you've linked to is still not properly formatted (hokuto.txt)

Do NOT include:
  • The motion capture JPEG files
  • The .wav sound files
  • The .mid MIDI music files
  • The .GIF sprite files
  • Anything else whatsoever apart from the .wad file and the .txt file.

To everyone else in the thread: I understand that you're annoyed with seeing this mod advertised repeatedly, and I know that iceman here has made mistakes in the way he's released things. But it does seem that he's making a good faith effort to clean things up and release his mod properly. How about we cut him some slack and quit flaming?

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myk said:
Not if they comply with the EULA by requiring the full game, as the WADs on /idgames do.


Logo is a trademark, check books, or if it's not and allowed by EULA I'll start to sell my "DOOM" logo T-shirts tomorrow !!!


Fraggle said:
I understand that you're annoyed with seeing this mod advertised repeatedly


Once every six months is not really what I call repetitive or a spam

I'll submit you files for validation.
Concerning name, I think this need to be clarified.

May some volunteers (myk ?) help to create a valid kit with the maximum of preserved information took from Hokuto77.txt
(Especially partners websites, project infos, e-mails, details on sprite height and so on...) and post it on Idgames ?

Does this HOKUTO77.TXT format look good ?

2h30 AM time to leave, see you tomorrow

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iceman57 said:
Logo is a trademark, check books, or if it's not and allowed by EULA I'll start to sell my "DOOM" logo T-shirts tomorrow !!!
Of course the logo is a trademark (even a registered one), but while the use of a trademark in an allowed situation (or otherwise innocently or for informational purposes) might be a problem, it is certainly a problem in a situation that is against the stated interests of the company.

Using a trademark (the name of the game is one) in a WAD that only runs with the registered game is one thing, distributing stuff that uses the trademark and does not even acknowledge derivation is another.

I can help you with the text file and even the how to sort out the WAD, but only if you understand these conditions.

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I think this wad is up there with my all-time favorite, "Doom Rampage Edition."

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Reading this thread is like watching a car wreck: I can't turn away.
Classic.

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myk said:
I can help you with the text file and even the how to sort out the WAD, but only if you understand these conditions.


Thx. I'm on it, will send to you a draft asap.


Shaikoten said:I think this wad is up there with my all-time favorite, "Doom Rampage Edition."


Get the worst prize is always prize, so always honored
There is always more visibility for the last than for the second.


Doom Marine said:"Reading this thread is like watching a car wreck: I can't turn away.
Classic."



Here is "Hokuto" car wreck, enjoy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLn433e991o

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Doom Marine said:
Reading this thread is like watching a car wreck: I can't turn away.
Classic.

This thread's survived a force-4 shitstorm - there's hope for it yet.
Hnd_kit.wad will run with the Doom1.wad if the source port permits but that should be an easy fix - then we can go back to speculating about what will/won't be in Doom 4.

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Iceman I will be totally honest with you now:

I am a fist of the north star fan myself. I loved the series up until the end of shin (which is basicly what this WAD is). The graphics, textures, sounds and pretty much everything is very well done. But there's one HUGE problem, which you should know by now.

The WAD is illegal as it contains Doom resources. The file contains a huge amount of crap that does NOT need to be there. This is why everyone in the doom community is frowning at this project, not because they don't know what fist is.

Your best course of action would be to take these resources and create a PWAD (patch wad) for an updated port of Doom, like GZDoom or ZDoom. That way not only could you put your resources to good use, but enhance them to fit fist of the north star (Custom weapons, new enemies rather than replaced ones etc). You also badly need new maps. No one wants to see the same maps they've been playing for over 14 years but with new textures and enemies from a completely different franchise.

You need to stop advertising and trying to make this a separate "game" and learn to make patch wads for ZDoom (or some other port). It is Doom and you cannot get rid of that fact. Using Zdoom features, a team of mappers and a different development approach, you could have a great project here.

But as it is, it is a shambles and a waste of good talent.

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Woah ! Ca flame, un truc de malade dans le coin.

T'inquiète Iceman, c'est le baptême du feu à Doomworld.

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why doesn't someone just host it somewhere and let me make it Doom-Legal?


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Woah ! Ca flame, un truc de malade dans le coin.

T'inquiète Iceman, c'est le baptême du feu à Doomworld.



English only forum, buddy.

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Patrick Pineda said:
why doesn't someone just host it somewhere and let me make it Doom-Legal?


I thought someone was going to? I'd do it but I don't want to download a 50+mb file to do so.

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English only forum, buddy.

A little respect for the ancients, "buddy".

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Woah, how did I miss this thread?

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Aeris was french? Dawww

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Cutman said:
Aeris was french? Dawww


Who what

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Shitty ass ff7 joke which was supposed to go above exp's post, nevermind :'(

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Oh hahahaha. If you beat exp I would have gotten it :P

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Patrick Pineda said:
English only forum, buddy.
In ancient Greece, one never knew when the beggar knocking at the door might be a god, disguised or else watching from above, passing judgment.

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myk said:
In ancient Greece, one never knew when the beggar knocking at the door might be a god, disguised or else watching from above, passing judgment.


There are gods on the forum? oh crap ...

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