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Do you believe this? Gamespot only gives Doom 64 a 4.8/10!

http://www.gamespot.com/n64/action/...updates;title;2

I can't say i liked this review as i think there are to many things
wrong with it, such as:


Gamespot Reviewer said:
While most would argue that Doom is finally dead, Midway is attempting to keep the series alive with its latest release


What???!!!? Doom's dead!!!!!! Since when???? I mean this is dated 11 fucking years ago and yet the reviewer claims that Doom is dead!



Gamespot Reviewer said:
Thrown in (seemingly) as an afterthought is a new weapon, the laser, which proves to be next to useless and is nowhere near as cool as it's made out to be.


Uhhhhhhhh, the un-maker is very effective when used correctly, and the reviewer can blame him self if he sucks with it!


Gamespot Reviewer said:
now that the engine is true 3-D, rooms can exist on top of each other


Is Doom 64 true 3D?!?!!


Gamespot Reviewer said:
if the team was prepared to make minor, annoying changes to the game, then why couldn't they throw in completely new features like jumping or the ability to look up and down


Because this is Doom, if you want free look and the ability to jump then go play quake.



Gamespot Reviewer said:
Better yet - why not just make an entirely new game instead?


Last time i checked, Doom 64 is an "entirely new game".


Gamespot Reviewer said:
Uninitiated or casual Doom players may get a kick out of Doom 64 - the graphics are fairly impressive and the game still has a spooky atmosphere. But anyone who has downloaded custom WADs for the PC with new levels, graphics, and sounds has already seen greater things from the world of Doom


I don't call there being any MODS for Doom or Doom 2 that has its own engine, or even resembles Doom 64 in any way. And besides that i though that guy called Doom "dead" earlier in the review, what does he know about community MODS?

Yet another example of how the reviewers sometimes just don't know what the hell there talking about!

Well ok i am being a little harsh here, but i still think this review blows!

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Harsh? No. Blunt. Truthful. Reviewers are often idiots.

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(!!!)

...

Doom is far from dead AFAIK.

And 4.8/10 is just a tad low, IMO. Kaiser will not be pleased to hear this news. ;-P

Anyways, the Unmaker is my favorite weapon... I'd always waste all my plasma ammo just to kill everything with it, which it is pretty good at. It's not called the "Unkmaker" for no reason.

Anyways, it's pretty clear the reviewer was heavily biased against Doom 64, so the score is understandable. It represents the opinions of those who did not like the game, which I guess isn't bad since the review did notice some good points. Doom 64 is one of my favorite games, though. Since I don't think I'm alone on that count, the review is likely not a good representation of the game's quality.

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I have an idea. Let's get really fired up and upset about this.

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TheCupboard said:
I have an idea. Let's get really fired up and upset about this.

Heck yeah, I'll get the torches if you promise to bring some pitchforks for everybody.

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Ho boy, deconstruction time:



What???!!!? Doom's dead!!!!!! Since when???? I mean this is dated 11 fucking years ago and yet the reviewer claims that Doom is dead!



Compare Doom at it's peak popularity to the situation back then: Player numbers were a lot lower even back in 1997.



Uhhhhhhhh, the un-maker is very effective when used correctly, and the reviewer can blame him self if he sucks with it!


The unmaker only comes into it's own when the demon keys are found: If you don't find the demon keys, you may as well use the other cell weapons (Granted this falls under the sucks category, but for a different reason)



Is Doom 64 true 3D?!?!!



Not quite, but closer than any other Doom engine variant to that point.



Because this is Doom, if you want free look and the ability to jump then go play quake.


...I don't really need to say anything about this one, aside from Doom 64 EX. Which has both, even if the latter has to be unlocked first.


Last time i checked, Doom 64 is an "entirely new game".


Any credibility your argument had is immediately lost as anyone with this one as it is obvious the reviewer is referring to creating a new IP rather than use an old one.



I don't call there being any MODS for Doom or Doom 2 that has its own engine, or even resembles Doom 64 in any way. And besides that i though that guy called Doom "dead" earlier in the review, what does he know about community MODS?


...and you look even dumber here: Even things like Doomsday of the UAC and Aliens TC were impressive at the time, considering the era and the fact both weren't made by professionals. Also, the mod scene for Doom was big back in the day, so he would've probably known about the mod scene back in the day.

That said, the score is harsh but your counterarguments assume everyone is you, which is where everything collapses.

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WHAT THE FUCK HOW DARE THEY RATE THE GAME LOW THOSE MOTHER FUCKERS DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE DOING GAY BULLSHIT BIASED STUPID FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF

It's just a review. Plenty of inexperienced reviewers have made bad reviews for popular and/or good games. It happens.

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WHAT A SHITLOAD OF FUCK!!!™ой

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OK, I know I'm pretty new here, but this is a joke, right? You're not seriously getting worked up over a review written 11 years ago are you?

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In before claims of fanboyism.

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And the funny thing is that you'd probably be much less worked up about the criticisms if the reviewer had arbitrarily pulled a higher number out of his ass, like 8 or 9.

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Don't worry its not like he works there anymore.
You should check out their Final Doom review too, they rate it bad because "it's just doom"
WELL OF COURSE IT'S JUST DOOM what do you expect

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Hehe... Man this review sux.

OF COURSE IT SUCKS... IT WAS REVIEWED BY A REVIEWER!!!!!!

If anyone is interested in seeint the coolest game reviewer I've ever seen, go here..... He actually reviews games in a way that is unique and funny and interesting. And really funny. And unique. And really funny.

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/vid...ero-punctuation

Unlike the reviewer quoted above.

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Sure is last year around here

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Gamespot is one of the first reviewers of Doom64 that rated it badly though. I remember watching another review on youtube of Doom64 that also assumed doom was dead, but actually praised Doom64 much because of its new immersive and frightening feel, in combination with the game being the most difficult official doom title.

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leileilol said:
You should check out their Final Doom review too, they rate it bad because "it's just doom"

haha, that would be a reason for me reviewing it good. Though that's probably not saying much considering what boards these are.

But seriously, on more modern games, cut me a break with the cutscenes (no pun intended). On some of them, it's like "Am I playing a game or watching a movie?" I was slightly annoyed with Doom 3's cutscenes, but they are nowhere as bad as some other games (*cough* MGS4). This has got to be my #1 turn-off for any game: Long, boring, pointless cutscenes. It's supposed to be a first-person shooter game, not a fucking RPG.

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hardcore_gamer said:
Do you believe this? Gamespot only gives Doom 64 a 4.8/10!
Damn... but they gave Timeline a 4.2/10! What can you expect?

http://www.gamespot.com/pc/action/timeline/index.html

But seriously, they gave (The Ultimate) DOOM a 9 and DOOM II an 8.5, which is all that really matters.

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esselfortium said:

Heck yeah, I'll get the torches if you promise to bring some pitchforks for everybody.

Let's not go over the top - how about tar and feathers?

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1997 was a different year. We had just entered the post-Quake omgwtf 3D phase and a lot of journalist were giving more "traditional" games flak for not getting with the times. I recall seeing shmups, fighters and stuff we regard as classics today get less than average scores.

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hardcore_gamer said:
Do you believe this? Gamespot only gives Doom 64 a 4.8/10!

I feel your pain. But hey, here's something that ought to cheer you up: Charles Lindbergh just successfully finished his transatlantic flight!

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Gez said:

I feel your pain. But hey, here's something that ought to cheer you up: Charles Lindbergh just successfully finished his transatlantic flight!



Oh really0_o

Thanks for sharing the information, the world is never going to be the same.

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GreyGhost said:
Let's not go over the top - how about tar and feathers?

A brilliant idea... and we need a rail and rope for the runnning out of town part too. ;-P

Anyway, in reference to cutscences, I agree a lot of games overdo it. I just wanted to say that I liked the scripted sequences in Half-Life 2 because you could still control Mr. Freeman while it was happening. That way, you could decide what to look at and could decide what to do during the sequence. This really gave a great feel like you were actually Mr. Freeman and that you really were playing the game instead of being reminded every now and then that you're really just watching a story.

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About 11 years ago I told a kid in my class that I'd like to get hold of Doom64 and they said "why, it's crap. It's really old fashioned and uses sprites". :/

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I didn't like Doom64. It just gave me a nostalgia boost and made me want to put PSX doom back on.

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Oh shit!

So much drama about an 11 year old article...
Don't we have more important things to discuss?

That said I have to agree with this particular statement which was probably the main motivation for the low score:



But anyone who has downloaded custom WADs for the PC with new levels, graphics, and sounds has already seen greater things from the world of Doom.

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Graf Zahl said:
So much drama about an 11 year old article...

So much drama about a game.

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Enjay said:
About 11 years ago I told a kid in my class that I'd like to get hold of Doom64 and they said "why, it's crap. It's really old fashioned and uses sprites". :/


I guess 12 year olds will always care more for the visuals rather then the gameplay, anyways i never intended to create any huge drama with this thread, i merely wanter to point out that gamespot rated the game with a lower score that it deserved.

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Enjay said:
About 11 years ago I told a kid in my class that I'd like to get hold of Doom64 and they said "why, it's crap. It's really old fashioned and uses sprites". :/


Hahaha Doom64's sprites are better than N64's models, the models of the characters in Goldeneye had flat faces with mugshots of the development team pasted on them.

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Now, Janitor reviews Doom for the N64:

Quite simply, Doom 64 is terrible. Making another game based on old, practically unknown game is absurd. Midway uses a reworked 4-year old engine to produce a new game (surely, no one would do this). It takes a classic game and gives it an entirely new feel and look, while still retaining classic gameplay. It didn't even make use of the Nintendo 64's amazing rendering technology to produce high-quality, low-poly, realistic environments. Furthermore, no one plays classic DooM anymore. The additional weapon is clearly a last minute idea to make Doom 64 feel fresh again.

Janitor's overall rating of Doom 64: 0.0/10
It's nearly as bad as this shit
Don't waste your time when you could be playing such an amazing new game.

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