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Aliotroph? said:
Fuck speakerphones. They garble voices and assholes overuse them. I wish the world's tech companies cared enough to kill them off.
My point was more about the safety of the driver and those around them (need both hands free to reliably operate a vehicle), which is still distracting but it keeps your eyes on the road and your hands on the wheel/gearstick. But yes, fuck speakerphones. I find it very difficult to concentrate on what I'm saying when I hear a faint delayed feedback of what I just said, really throws me off.

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Your cynicism appears to match mine in this case, Waffenack. Unfortunately, this thread is a poor thread for the both of us to vent our combinded frustrations at the concept of social media in general.

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TheCupboard said:
Your cynicism appears to match mine in this case, Waffenack. Unfortunately, this thread is a poor thread for the both of us to vent our combinded frustrations at the concept of social media in general.


Amen to that brother, being part of brainless mass hysteria indeed is not my slice of cake.

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Something tells me a ton of people care more about their social status than their lives or the lives of others.


But what kind of a social status can you have when dead?

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This looks like a simple case of someone not paying attention to what they should have been doing - or suicide.

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What did you think that would happen when you're s/texting while driving?
She will probably be an imp in hell.

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Waffenak said:


Amen to that brother, being part of brainless mass hysteria indeed is not my slice of cake.


Oh yeah, social media itself is so horrible... how dreadful that I have a way to easily keep up with my college friends who have spread across the country /sarcasm. Seriously, I don't get what the deal is with the hate toward the technology itself. People do dumb things with it, sure, but they do dumb things with all technology. Hell, there are probably people out there bitching about how telephones (and I mean landlines, mind you) ruin relationships because thanks to them, no one ever talks face-to-face anymore. Yeah, I'm sorry I don't have time to constantly be jaunting across the country to visit everyone who's important to me, or even that I don't have hours a day to spend speaking with them directly over the phone. Sorry I still want to keep in touch with them, even if on a particular day it is only about sharing a minor gripe about work or whatever.

Whoa, sorry about that, got a little carried away. Just, you know, it's frustrating enough when some of the people most important to you are separated by thousands of miles - and yeah, I get the hate toward social media, but I've found that in some small way, it can sometimes help to close that distance just a bit. Doesn't mean I wouldn't prefer other methods of interaction, but sometimes you gotta take what you can get.

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joe-ilya said:
What did you think that would happen when you're s/texting while driving?
She will probably be an imp in hell.




maybe she'll get to do some impse now!

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Saying that she deserved to die is way too harsh, despite the fact that she did it to herself. She deserved to get her car towed and license revoked for a while, but not death.

It still blows my mind that after banning talking on the phone while driving, people resorted to texting instead. Texting takes up so much more of your attention that I can't fathom how anybody would think it's a good idea. On a highway rest stop near here, they changed the sign from "Rest Stop" to "Text Stop", and I couldn't help but think, "Wow, that's where we're at now. Another thing that we have to constantly remind people not to do."

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...what. Just... what. Makes me think where people left their common sense.


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I'd like some statistics to go with your claims.

While I don't have official stats, I've done similar counting while on the road. Roughly 2 out of 5 women were talking on the phone. Maybe it is regional thing?

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geekmarine said:

Oh yeah, social media itself is so horrible... how dreadful that I have a way to easily keep up with my college friends who have spread across the country /sarcasm. Seriously, I don't get what the deal is with the hate toward the technology itself.



Its one kind of addiction if you cant be a single moment away from social media ranting to everyone what you just ate or how fun you have riding bicycle down hill. It's saddening to see people staring only at their cellphones every morning in traffic lights or in a bus. One day some brainless chap almost bumped into me while walking and being too busy straring facebook. I prefer talking to people on phone or face to face and I dont have to constantly stay in touch with every person I know or have seen once in my life. There should be facilities for people who want constantly be in touch with each other: you sit in a ring, you are hooked to a full life support system and you got input at back of your head for cable so you can online 24/7. I wonder how people survived in ww1 trenches without telling everyone online: "I just tossed grenade and shot someone, how cool is that!" or how people meeted each other before facebook and planned going out. Oh how difficult life must have been back then.

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Waffenak, you clearly don't ride the bus or know how truly boring it is. What the hell is wrong with passing the time by reading your twitter feed or playing Angry Birds? I wouldn't talk to people on the bus even if I didn't have a phone with me. If I wanna look at my phone rather than stare out a window, what's wrong with that? I get it, people are less social now or whatever, but I've NEVER been social in public - I don't feel comfortable around strangers anyway, so I don't see what's wrong with how I choose to pass the time. I can't stand people who wax romantic about "the good old days" before X piece of technology allegedly ruined them. You ever think that maybe your personal experience may not be the same as that of others?

Now I'm not saying real-life interaction should be totally shunned in favor of social media and the like. I get that. But it's friggin' absurd when you impose this false notion that, "Oh yeah, before technology, we'd all just sit around socializing with complete strangers, and everyone loved it!" Yeah, maybe before I got a cell phone, I might have a conversation with someone on the bus, but not of my choosing, and I never actually enjoyed the experience - especially when you consider that the type of person to strike up conversations with total strangers on a bus tends to be a total creeper (at least in my experience - not saying it applies to everyone, but it tends to be that the people who really wanna get into involved conversations tend to either be somewhat unhinged or they're panhandlers or something).

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Megalyth said:
Saying that she deserved to die is way too harsh, despite the fact that she did it to herself. She deserved to get her car towed and license revoked for a while, but not death.

Possibly deserved is a bit strong but, equally, she did something with a proven track record of severely endangering life - both that of the person using the 'phone and others nearby. It is highly unlikely she hadn't heard about that.


So, she willingly did something commonly known to be life threatening and she died. Deserved it? Possibly not but, if she didn't want to die, doing something so dangerous (for such little gain or value) is irresponsible in the extreme. She got what was highly likely to come to her, deserved or not. I don't have a great deal of sympathy, especially when you consider how reckless she was being with the lives of others.

In other news, on my way home from work tonight, some asshole driving in the opposite direction came around a blind bend on the wrong side of the road, 'phone in hand. If I hadn't had room to mount the grass verge a little...

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Oh please geekmarine, I ride bus daily and spend time reading newspaper or book or just like you said socialising with complete strangers. I often find myself talking about some interesting stuff with strangers and dont feel nervous at all. Few weeks ago talked with some guy about material durability in diffrent scenarios during one hour train ride and few days ago talked with some granny about daily stuff and yesterday with a girl about travelling. If you are introvert person then maybe its hard to talk with diffrent people. You have to take the leap and dont give angry look when someone tries to talk to you, you can learn great deal from that specific conversation. I always try to evolve and learn new stuff because its my nature so instead of playing with cellphone I prefer reading some interesting Lancet article or interesting novel. I dont know in which land you live but I think you can find decent folk everywhere. Technology isnt always going in right direction, new cars tend to fall apart more easily and have more problems in software and ecu. I love old sportcars because cars up till 90's didnt have problems that much and if there was those were structural and mechanical problems and consumer electronic these days are not made to last and have intended structural defects to make the machine fall apart just after warranty expires.

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So, if I wanna keep to myself, that's fine, if I'm a little introverted, it's okay, if I'd rather read or watch the scenery than exchange pleasantries, that's okay, but the minute I whip out my smartphone to check my email I'm an antisocial jerk? What? I might be totally misunderstanding your intentions, but that's the impression I'm getting - if it's okay to read the paper on the bus, if it's okay to not talk to anyone, why is looking at my phone instead a crime? It's not like I'm being an asshole about it - I don't get in people's faces if they do try to talk to me, I'm polite, I just prefer to keep to myself in public.

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Calling social media a "technology" is quite a stretch, IMO. They are not a "hard" technology in the same sense as electronics, cars or missiles, so to speak. There's also nothing too technically wonderful or innovative about them, either: something like Facebook or even Twitter could've been made back in 1994, as they are literally nothing than posts on a webpage. Yeah, we totally couldn't have than in 1994 (well, maybe without the inane javascript games taking up 0.5 GB of RAM just to run farmville....). But other than that the internet was there, the browsers were there, the users were there...what was missing?

The main difference between now and then is simply the numbers of users and a massive "lumpen-ization" or "chav-ization" of technology, meaning that more and more people jump into what is more of a consumer- and trend- driven bangwagon.

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Checking quickly is completely different thing than drooling and staring at the screen for a long time while simultaneously closing out world around you. Next time you ride a bus, take a look around you for even a minute, how many empty eye pairs you see around staring at their phone or even when you are walking down the street. I see these examples everywhere I go, even when going to gym they have to have their phones with them. I leave my phone in a locker and give myself time to train in peace without constant brakes of updating somethin or taking selfie holding dumbbell in front of mirror. You never lose if you talk to someone, maybe even a homeless chap can have interesting story to tell. I dont overlook anyone if they in turn are polite towards me. I only despise people who think they are better than others and that they dont have time to talk with someone who isn't worth of their time.

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Waffenak said:
Checking quickly is completely different thing than drooling and staring at the screen for a long time while simultaneously closing out world around you. Next time you ride a bus, take a look around you for even a minute, how many empty eye pairs you see around staring at their phone or even when you are walking down the street. I see these examples everywhere I go, even when going to gym they have to have their phones with them. I leave my phone in a locker and give myself time to train in peace without constant brakes of updating somethin or taking selfie holding dumbbell in front of mirror. You never lose if you talk to someone, maybe even a homeless chap can have interesting story to tell. I dont overlook anyone if they in turn are polite towards me. I only despise people who think they are better than others and that they dont have time to talk with someone who isn't worth of their time.

I've only HAD a smartphone in the past couple of years. I have a long history of riding public transportation without a smartphone. And what the hell's so different between checking the news on a smartphone and reading the paper or a book? What makes that so high and mighty? Look, I don't like talking to strangers, never have, never will, and you're being a bit condescending about it. I just wanna ride in peace and get to my destination. I'm not rude, but I don't care for the social interaction, either, and it has nothing to do with whether or not I take my damn phone. Only difference, I'm guessing, is it's much more obvious when someone's on their phone. So flippin' what? If I'm not being rude to you, why should you care how I spend my time? I'm not going to sit there and pretend to be superior to everyone because I'm staring off into space rather than at my phone.

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geekmarine said:

I've only HAD a smartphone in the past couple of years. I have a long history of riding public transportation without a smartphone. And what the hell's so different between checking the news on a smartphone and reading the paper or a book? What makes that so high and mighty?



Well firstly you dont have to "update" newspaper, once you have read it you can put it in your bag or give it to someone else and it is easier to open conversation with someone because that someone knows that newspaper isn't going to give you a call and you can't play games with it other than sudoku or crosswords which arent fast paced and dont need your full attention. Secondly constantly staring at screen gives you eye strain and sore neck which arent good for your health in a long run. Nobody said you have to stare off into space, there are always options for staring dully on your lap and looking like a zombie, try it out you might find it interesting.

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But basically, you're saying that I'm wrong if I ride the bus and don't particularly feel like being social. If I do things to avoid being social, that somehow makes me a bad person. What's wrong with not wanting to be social with complete strangers on a bus? You're outraged at the phone for making people keep to themselves - well maybe they WANT to keep to themselves. It's not the damn phone's fault, quit trying to act like something has fundamentally changed.

I am on the bus to get from Point A to Point B - not to be your goddamn best friend. Again, I'm not rude to people, I just don't feel comfortable talking with strangers, and I don't have a problem feeling uncomfortable with it. I'm old enough and have had enough bad experiences that I think I've earned the right to say, "You know, this just isn't for me." Do whatever the hell you like, that's fine, but don't be preachy about it. Don't tell me how to ride the bus.

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"Don't tell me how to ride the bus" sounds like it should already be a metaphorical expression for "don't tell me how to lead my life" rather than the very literal meaning it has here.

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At the end of the day, it is not only incredibly stupid to use any device while driving it is (in Britain anyway) illegal. Yes it's a tragedy that she lost her life, but the real tragedy is for her family, who have to go on knowing that she lost her life doing something so silly. Such a waste for what? A few lines of text on a popular social media site.
If it wasn't so morbid, you would laugh at it.

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She died happy, doing what she loved more than everything. We should all be so lucky.

It's not tragic. It's beautiful.







Also hilarious.

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Well firstly you dont have to "update" newspaper

As opposed to what exactly? What is this even supposed to mean?


once you have read it you can put it in your bag or give it to someone else and it is easier to open conversation

I rarely have a bag, a phone fits in my pocket just fine. It's also way more convenient to handle in a crowded bus than a newspaper. Screw conversations, I have better things to do than making small talk with random people.


that someone knows that newspaper isn't going to give you a call and you can't play games with it other than sudoku or crosswords which arent fast paced and dont need your full attention

Wut?


Secondly constantly staring at screen gives you eye strain and sore neck which arent good for your health in a long run

Haha, what? I'd have to be riding buses for several hours daily to even consider worrying about that. I'd also have to quit my job where I'm mainly staring at a screen.

I find it ironic that you're constantly stating how nice and outgoing you are, yet you can't seem to stand people doing things differently.

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Reflecting on this a little, I suspect that who do this (i.e. self-distracted driving) don't believe they are doing anything wrong or dangerous. In their own mind, they drive just as safely with or without distraction, and if they have an accident while doing so, then it would just as likely have happened in any case. "The car just appeared out of nowhere." etc.

So scare tactics ("you'll die"/"you'll maim other people", etc.) aren't going to have any effect. However, what might scare them is the thought that if they do die while texting (etc.), then they will be remembered (however "unjustly") as some moron who died stupidly.

Hence there is a strong public-safety purpose in ridiculing these people. To discourage others from this perfectly safe but misunderstood behaviour.

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Nobody wants or intends to be "that guy/girl".

My view on these types of circumstances is usually a bit more "big picture". It's so easy to immediately think "she got what she deserved", but did any of us know anything about her? Maybe she was a serial torturer and truly got what she deserved, but more likely she was just a regular person like all of us, likely a beloved friend and family member, who made a stupid decision and paid for it with her life.

It's too easy to sit back and say "lol that bimbo got hers", but we need to take a step back before we pass judgment. These are people's lives we're casually dismissing here.

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I will say, one thing to consider is that we don't really get a full picture from a single moment. We tend to extrapolate - she died texting while driving, so she must have done it all the time. It's also entirely possible that it was a single, solitary lapse - and let's face it, I think we've all had at least one moment in our lives where we had a momentary lapse in judgment that could've potentially gotten us killed if our luck played out differently. Heck, I can think of a couple of times even in my adulthood where I was waiting to cross a street, and nearly got plowed because I was looking at the crosswalk sign rather than checking to make sure there were no cars who decided to run a red light. In each of those cases, the difference between me being fine and me being street pizza was like one or two seconds. If I had been splattered, would people say, "Dumbass shouldn't have been focusing on the crosswalk sign, he should've checked to make sure there were no cars trying to beat the light?"

Don't get me wrong, I'm in now way defending the woman's actions, just pointing out that it's entirely possible to die incredibly stupidly but have it be a single, momentary event rather than indicative of a reckless lifestyle.

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